Jean-Sebastien Grenier is a furniture maker by trade and a poet by passion. When he's not too busy making wigs out wood curls, you might find him doused in moonlight while ballroom dancing with lobsters over the ocean floor. He's been published before in
Ottawa Arts Review,
Pace Magazine,
Tint Journal, Havik, Bywords, and will be in
Arc Magazine's 2025 Spring issue as
an honourable mention for the 2024 Diana Brebner Award. He thanks you for being you.
Q: How long have you been in Ottawa, and what first brought you here?Just shy of two decades into my life, Ottawa was never more than a family visit. The Ottawa area had me, so as to get closer to the question: Hawkesbury (where I was born), Carp, Casselman, these places are where my extended family have always been.
Pardon me, but we’re going on a bit of detour. Hold on.
Montreal was a blip of my early upbringing to seven. Sometime then, my mother got a flair for a New York kind of work. I’m not sure what happened with my father, I don’t remember saying goodbye.
We landed in New Jersey, eventually in Georgia, and then Illinois, and then after that in California. I lived in many different cities in these many different states.
Nineteen-years-old, and living by an American-idolized beachside, I found myself living alone, in a broken relationship, working two jobs, and rationing meals to save money for what?
“Hey...” I thought to myself...“I don’t have to do this alone.”
So I broke all of it off to be with my grandparents in rural Ontario, worked a job at Canadian Tire for a year, and locked myself into Thompson Residence at University of Ottawa. Yes, Ottawa was the common denominator of distance between all my relatives. My mom eventually moved to Ottawa too which was a good step forward for us, but that’s a different story.
Doesn’t stop there.
Five years later, degree earned with no appeal to a job through it, I found myself jaded, exhausted...yearning for an exaggerated kind of move. I chose Vietnam. For some reason I decided to fall in love with a visual arts gal as soon as I made these plans, and I was lucky that she was brave enough to ask me to join.
We’re married now, thank you.
And yes, we’re almost there. We went from Vietnam to Thailand to Malaysia in a full year. Good ol’ Canadian nostalgia hailed us back and we landed with my mother-in-law near Cape Breton. That was a good year, but boredom settled in fast. We bee-lined it to British Columbia via drive and that was a great year. Although we missed family all the while. Maybe community is a better word for it?
Or, simply put, we were ready to build a home. Ottawa had always been home. Our latest stint here has endured since 2020. Ottawa’s been good to us. Always has. I think we're here to stay.
Q: How did you first get involved in writing, and subsequently, the writing community here?It was a highschool fling between music and the girls I found beautiful.
When I was fifteen, six of my friends all pitched in together to buy me a guitar. A red Epiphone Dot. I learned it quick, and I got good enough for, maybe, most others to enjoy it. I started writing love songs soon as I could. Knowing myself now, that was inevitable.
I wrote the songs, impressed the pretty girls and had good times. Time passed and the music faded, so did many romances...but the words kept getting made. Maybe the music embedded itself in the poems and so the guitar was no longer needed?
I didn’t have a proper “writing” community until university...
My best friend, Colin Quin, and I, we first met as roommates in Thompson Residence at University of Ottawa. It was a casual sentence at first as we got to know each other, “Oh I write poetry too.” Doesn’t matter who said it first. It passed by in those first few days and there were too many people to meet and too many thoughts to break our brains with. I remember we used to study together in adjacent cubicles...but separately because we had different classes. We made a habit of studying well until 2am every night. Getting back to our dorm,
The Twilight Zone was what we fell asleep to most often. But somewhere in between the repetition of that tradition, we started sharing little poems we were writing. We started staying up until 4am over wine and poetry... I can’t remember how it started. We were so hot headed at the time that we even got competitive about it...poetry, philosophy...what we were learning. It was the making of a great start to a long friendship if you ask me.
He’s been my community in Ottawa. Yeah, we took that creative writing course that one time in third year with Seymour Mayne.
Colin’s always been better at staying in touch with the writing community. He goes out and meets folk of the form. Likely, most open mics he’s committed to, he invites me because he wants support. Most likely, I read because if he’s doing it, I’d like to be a brother along side him doing it. His extrovertedness brings the best poet out me.
Thirteen years have passed now. We still look over each others’ work. We still mull through it together. I’m grateful to have a brother in life and these written words.
Q: How did being in such a community of writers shift your thinking about writing, if at all?I’ll segue into an anecdote because I don’t know how else to answer this question.
I recall once, Colin was enthralled with Hagelian metaphysics. I can’t recall the philosophical principles as he relayed them exactly, but I do recall the image his telling impressed on me...imagine you’re a child lying on your back looking up through a glass tabletop. Now imagine you notice a caterpillar is journeying across. You’re looking up at its belly. You notice the head first, then the next node of its body, then the next and the next. Accord. It doesn’t stop. Each node of the caterpillar’s stomach is tattooed with a face. Each subsequent face is the same, but not quite the same face. It’s a face in motion. So the caterpillar patters along and you’ve gotten a glimpse at animation. Your ability to reflect alone lets you know that it was actually a glimpse in being reality and into its scaffolding. Add in the spice of time and you realize even the scaffolding is shapeshifting into another arrangement. Before you know it you’re curious enough to start look for jazz dancing skeletons. Let it go now, it’s too late. Maybe that’s what metaphysics are? I’m mixing my interpretation with his at this point...
Anyways, Colin’s philosophical rants seemed to inspire these kind of images more often than not for me.
I do agree now, every poem operates by its own metaphysics.
Every poet ought know the rules of their individual poems and individual poems deserve the love of their own rules.
More relatable perhaps:
I’ve been impressed me with the idea that if a poem is unfocused, try to write your thesis in a single haiku. Focus. That’s belaboured from The Beats. Sylvia Plath’s tersets also work well.
If you don’t know where else to go with a poem and it’s not quite there, write it in philosophical form. And then transcribe it back. And so on and so forth.
None of all this was expressed in specific words or any one conversation. It’s been conversation amongst us across time. as odd and personal as poetry. That’s community...something shared.
Q: What do you see happening here that you don’t see anywhere else? What does Ottawa provide, or allow?I haven’t explored poetry in elsewhere circles, despite my repertoire of lived places...except that one time I tried to start an open mic in Antigonish (quick hiatus via covid). What I can say is, particularly in Ottawa, I’ve never had any obstacle of opportunity if I felt like reading, or learning others’ work. Ottawa is ripe for poets. It’s always been a town that loves art, and poetry is a certain part of its pendulum swing...however subtle.
Note: I’m still waiting for someone to frame their poetry in such a way that it has the same stopping power that visual art has always had.
After all, Ottawa does love its galleries.
Q: Have any of your projects responded directly to your engagements here? How have the city and its community, if at all, changed the way you approached your work?Yeah. There’s one piece, “A Young Man’s Ottawa Zeitgeist”, it’s a micro-epic poem celebrating the camaraderie Colin, Marty, and I held as we hopped bar to bar while we tried to keep ourselves from falling apart. We twenty-year-olds were going through some kind of frenetic, second puberty. We just wanted to be something more, but couldn’t. If anyone cares, it was published by a California college magazine called
Havik. If anyone wants to read it, just email me and I’ll send it to you, JGrenier91@gmail.com
What inspired the poem was Marty’s break-up. That girl cheated on him. To share a little love in his hard time, I wrote a chapbook for him alone and that poem mentioned above was sandwiched between five other poems. Handmade. The cover featured an 8-bit like digitized picture of him. Camping bag filled out like its designer meant it to be, he held his thumb out to an Saskatchewan highway while we were both hitchhiking from his cousin’s place to Williams Lake, British Columbia for a treeplanting season.
Making that book for him showed me how much I liked making books as a craft in itself...almost as much as making poems.
Q: What are you working on now?Figuring out new ways to make my wife laugh in the day to day.
But seriously, my next book is getting close to portraying an imagistic pantheon of my specific fears. I’d like to capture what it is about simple observation that can turn old demons into god-like alters. Good omens. It’ll start with the journey of climbing a mountain to meet the tree my father hung himself from. I’ll meet my fears along the way, and they’ll try to infect my fondest memories, they’ll get uglier with each step. But there’s redemption at the end. Rilke’s
Duino Elegies is a huge influence there.
Those fears have been...especially in a wintery still. The first draft is done, which is good, but I look forward to ripening it into something sweeter than it is.
Before getting onto that, I owe it to myself to finish teaching myself how to bind a book from scratch. A folio is a noun fallen out of favour. I’m finding I love the choice of colour for a stitch alone. My first book is close to its last draft, and it’ll be a family copy made for me alone. Hardwood cover etched via laser. Navy blue book cloth for the inner lining. I’m thinking auburn for the stitch. Maybe. Once I’ve got it down, I’ll bind Colin a copy of his book as a nice surprise.
If I ought be honest: the bulk of my attention in juggling life has me on making up a business plan. I’ve been more a multi-disciplinary artist than a writer in the proper sense of the word. I draw when I feel, good or not, I play music, good or not, I make things period. After all of it, my chosen trade is an ideal fusion of art and technique...for me anyways. It feels like a good fusion between art and acceptable technical execution. If I’m working to expand into a business where I can personally midwife others’ visions for pieces of furniture that mean something in their lives...then things are good. Furniture (especially chairs) has always been the negative space holding up all our human endeavours. That’s as easy to see as a painting. I wish poems were as easy to see in plain space.
Despite all these tangents, I guess I’m writing this because I end up writing even when I’ve given up on it. It’s just my head resting on a familiar pillow. I’m just glad I end up making a pillow when I’m tired enough... poem or not. Thanks for reading.