January 23, 2004
Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
Andrew Sullivan is bemused that Michael Moore opposed a war - Kosovo - run by (and advocated for) by the man he wants to President:
MOORE ON CLARK, 1999: Check out Michael Moore's 1999 diatribe against the war to stop genocide in the Balkans. Now, we all know Moore opposes any military action to stop dictators murdering innocents. But doesn't Moore recall that it was one, er, General Wesley Clark, who was commanding this military operation? ...Michael Moore: a man who never without an excuse for keeping murdering tyrants in power. But now he's supporting the man who bombed Milosevic into submission? How about an explanation, Mr Moore?
But how can Andrew Sullivan hold up Kosovo as a handy example of a noble exercise in humanitarian intervention to beat up Moore with, while at the same time calling Wesley Clark, the man who led and fought for it, who without whom it might well never have happened, "Ross Perot crazy" with no understanding of foreign policy? It's phony paradox within phony paradox, mock outrage within mock outrage! While we're at it, how can Andrew Sullivan be an advocate for gay people when he gets a paycheck from a loony Korean cult leader who wants gays wiped off the face of the Earth? How about an explanation for that one, you half-a-moron?
Re: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glasses At Stone Houses
I guess Prince Andy the Self-Hating interprets "Yes, he (Milosevic) must be stopped. But bombing the people of his country is exactly the wrong way to stop him" as saying he must NOT be stopped. BTW, Clark's position was that we ought to have used ground troops. Wow, that's some disagreement.
Maybe Andy's just stupid.
Posted by: Social Scientist on January 23, 2004 07:51 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
So, does he get a runner-up for his shining example of Wingerdom? What are we to assume from this extra image of Winger?
Posted by: on January 23, 2004 08:20 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
Assume what you will. I just happen to like Winger.
Posted by: Andrew Northrup on January 23, 2004 08:25 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
You know what? Rod Morgenstein, with the Dregs, and with Jordan Rudess is a pretty tight drummer. I hate to see players play down to get paid.
Posted by: Todd on January 23, 2004 08:30 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
Clark is a player playing down to get paid, it seems. He seems awkward on the stump because he has to dumb his ass down for the TeeVee. Some [technical] Presidents don't have that particular problem.
Posted by: some dude on January 24, 2004 01:31 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
"A loony Korean cult leader?"
You must have missed Reverend Moon's beatification by the high echelons of the Republican party. Click on my name for a summary, Google can provide more. (The Bush in question was the Sr.).
Posted by: JS on January 23, 2004 09:33 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
A juicier version is under my name in this post. How can Republicans get away with stuff like this without Jennings or Hume noticing?
Posted by: JS on January 23, 2004 09:43 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
Oh, snap!
Posted by: Todd on January 23, 2004 10:20 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
Actually, it appears that Mr. Sullivan prefers Wing over Winger:
Thursday, January 22, 2004 THIS CHEERED ME UP: The boyfriend urges me to listen to "Wing" singing 'Close To You' by the Carpenters. Oh my God. - 3:03:00 PM
She's got really bitchen hair too!
Posted by: Mitch Mills on January 23, 2004 10:18 PM | Reply to thisRe: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
The thing about Moon's influence in conservative American politics is that this has been going on since forever and nobody in Washington even thinks it's unusual any more. So they have a difficult time seeing it as news.
Re: Nutty Nutty 2 - Where We All Toss Glass At Stone Houses
What depresses me, frankly, is the fact that we're so well-integrated that Andrew Sullivan gets away with being Andrew Sullivan. I want there to be an intimidatingly butch woman standing in front of Andrew Sullivan's home, 24/7, holding a sign that reads HOW IS IT IN THE MASTER'S HOUSE, ASSHAT, in big, block letters. Just like that.
What I mean is, our own ability to mature (at least, I hope we're maturing) from reviled fringe subculture to happy, healthy Americans in a minority that a majority of the majority can handle working with, living next door to and inviting to Thanksgiving dinner allows us a much greater diversity of opinion and perception than when there were a very few voices with much closer messages. However, we walk the line between being able to finally relax or suffering a dilution of the still important and still true message that there are people who suffer and die for being something other than white-bread hetero.
Andrew Sullivan reminds me strongly of a character in an Asimov novel (_The Currents of Space_, if I recall correctly) who is a member of an oppressed laborer minority. His position as elevator operator causes him to look down on the rest of his fellow laborers, believing the whiff of privilege surrounding him in his work somehow transfers to him as a person. What he misses is that, at the end of the day, he's just another servant.
Posted by: Michael on January 24, 2004 01:27 AM | Reply to this