Midwest Conservative Journal

Midwest Conservative Journal

Webster Groves, Missouri - Copyright 2004, by Christopher S. Johnson

5/30/2004 6:58:06 PM

PLAY NICE

Meanwhile in the Great White North, acting Primate David Crawley really hopes that the Anglican Church of Canada stays in a good mood when it apostatizes votes on same-sex marriage:

In an opening address to more than 300 Anglican members of the church's highest governing body, Archbishop David Crawley, the Acting Primate, urged them to move away from the "harsh, vituperative and unacceptable" language that has often been used on both sides of the debate over the blessing of same-sex unions.

"We all feel deeply about this issue," Archbishop Crawley said, "but that is no excuse to descend into the depths. The judgmentalism and the profoundly personal nature of some comments, both private and public, could never reflect the nature of the Realm of God, no matter what you understand it to be."

What kind of "harsh, vituperative and unacceptable" language did the Crawley King Snake have in mind?  This, basically:

My examples will come from one side, because that's the kind of letters I get. A letter that says: "I hope I never have to stand next to you, because when God strikes you dead... I don't want to be covered with bits of burnt cowardly episcopal guts." Now, at least he didn't sign it "yours faithfully" [laughter] .. but you'd be surprised how many of them are signed that way.

Odd how Dave's "harsh, vituperative and unacceptable" language comes only from the conservative side.  But I guess he had time constraints and couldn't get to the all the "harsh, vituperative and unacceptable" language of the liberals.   On the other hand, this language is perfectly calm and temperate and shouldn't bother anyone at all:

That joint statement put out by the primates, which these five primates signed, said that primates should not interfere outside their own countries. And so they're acting improperly and inappropriately. They know perfectly well that we have entered a process, at the request of that meeting of the primates last fall, to provide alternate episcopal oversight internally for dissenting groups.

At this juncture they're behaving very badly. And I have, as acting primate, written them to tell them so.

So's this:

That's rubbish. They have a bishop -- Michael Ingham is their bishop. Anglican parishes do not have the freedom to disassociate themselves from dioceses. We are not a congregationalist church.

This too:

It's inappropriate for those foreign primates to intervene at any time, but it's particularly unhealthy at this juncture.

And this:

Yes, I expect they'd be prepared to do that. They just have -- well, I won't say it. They have no business doing what they're doing. They just have absolutely no business doing it, and it's appalling that they're doing it.

As well as this:

No, because those bishops have no jurisdiction here. Anything those bishops and those primates do here is unlawful and improper. They have no jurisdiction. So these parishes are becoming outlaws. They fondly think that this keeps them part of it, but it doesn't.

So let's hope the language at the ACC's General Synod doesn't get "harsh, vituperative and unacceptable."  Because that would be bad. 


Posted by Christopher S. Johnson - 9 comments

Submitted by Sasha on 5/31/2004 2:19:45 AM

So David Crawley thinks the language he quoted is "harsh and vituperative"? How about this:

BASTARD!!! HYPOCRITE!!! ANTICHRIST!!! WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!!! FALSE PROPHET!!! SON OF THE DEVIL!!!

Submitted by Sasha on 5/31/2004 2:23:42 AM

So David Crawley thinks the language he quoted is "harsh, unacceptable and vituperative"? How about this:

BASTARD!!! HYPOCRITE!!! ANTICHRIST!!! WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!!! FALSE PROPHET!!! SON OF THE DEVIL!!! REPENT OR YOU'LL ROT IN HELL AND THENCE BURN UP ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE!!! Now THAT'S what ought to be shouted out to him day and night, when he's awake and when he's asleep, wherever he is, whatever he's doing, whichever mood he's in - until he either repents or dies!

Submitted by J. Scott on 5/31/2004 5:53:41 AM

You're not an Anglican, are you, Sasha?

Submitted by Jim the Fireman on 5/31/2004 8:03:39 AM

Crawley also says this in the interview with CC.com:
"I think the whole thing's a bit silly myself. I think the primates from the global south who are doing this are -- well, I'm not sure of their reasons. I think they just fail to understand how our church works."

Boy, that sounds a bit patrician and condescending. It seems like he is saying "Those silly little children down there just haven't been civilized long enough to know how a denomination really works." Could you imagine the outflow of bile if someone such as Franklin Graham said that?

Submitted by Sasha on 5/31/2004 7:38:27 PM

J. Scott:

As long as my deeds be acceptable to my Heavenly Father and by faith and everything else I abide in Christ His Only-Begotten Son as well as My Lord & Saviour (the toughest part of all!!!), I don't care other than to be a Trinitarian Christian.

Submitted by Bill (not IB) on 5/31/2004 8:50:04 PM

This is a chapter straight out of "Animal Farm". I can almost hear the lib agitprops rising up and shouting homosexual good, heterosexual bad   "four legs good, two legs bad".

And it's easy to cast Crawley/Griswold as Napoleon, and ++Williams as Snowball.

We'll just have to wait and see how long it is before Nunley   Squealer repaints the Rules of Animalism.

Submitted by Edward on 5/31/2004 8:54:19 PM

"Harsh and vituperative?" Try this from Matthew xxiii:

"13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

Our Lord's own words. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Viper Crawley.

Submitted by Mary in LA, the E-Pissed-Copalian on 6/2/2004 6:29:11 PM

REPENT OR YOU'LL ROT IN HELL AND THENCE BURN UP ALIVE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE!!!


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. ... Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"


Sing it, Brother Sasha! Preach it, Brother Edward! Can I hear a big AYYYYYYY-MEN, brothers and sisters!

There's a Church of Christ about four blocks from my house. I think I'll go see if Christ is actually there. He sure ain't in the ECUSA/ACC no more.

Submitted by Sasha on 6/2/2004 9:07:51 PM

Thank you, Mary - though my personal preference is "Ah-Men" (or, in the Eastern Orthodox world, "Ah-mjeen"). As to Mr. J. Scott (though this could cost me should the wrong people be reading this...): I'll be honest as serving in an Anglican church for almost a whole decade...

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