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© 1965 Bob Dylan
Thursday :: July 29, 2004

Kerry's Speech: Blogosphere Reaction

We're sitting in the bar at the Onyx Hotel near the Fleet Center. It's packed, and there's wi-fi. It's midnight Boston time, and all we hear is "great speech."
We've got an early flight home so we passed on the parties--and instead will bring you some reactions from the bloggers:

First, the Conmmand Post has the transcript up. Alan has been doing the difficult job of blogging objectively.

Ezra Klein at Pandagon:

I believe, truly, that this is the perfect speech for John Kerry. It addresses every slander against him and absorbs the vulnerable edges into positive portions of a great man. This is phenomenal.

Stunning. He did it. I didn't think he could, not after Obama and Clinton and Edwards and Cleland. But he did it. He gave the perfect speech for this moment, for this race, for this crowd. He couldn't rely on his charisma and so he instead told the country where it needed to go. He couldn't do flash so he did substance...and he did it. There's nothing I can say beyond that...I'm sorry...I just don't have the words for it. I'm inspired. I'd forgot what this felt like.

The negative: Instapundit wasn't impressed. He even thought the delivery was bad. But, what a break with tradition. Instapundit is allowing comments on the post.

More to follow. Add your own favorites in the comments.

Left Coaster:

Incredible. He nailed it. I don't know how it looked on TV, but I can tell you that John Kerry pulled it off inside the hall tonight. Amidst some incredible security outside the Fleet Center, Kerry gave the speech of his life tonight when the pressure was the greatest. He somehow managed to straddle the line perfectly between giving the base its red meat to deal with their anger (something that Bill Schneider of CNN said he wouldn't do) while providing a vision and positive agenda for the voters he was trying to reach tonight. All I can say, without overstatement, is that the atmosphere during the speech and most importantly after it was nothing short of elation and electricity.

Also see Dave at Electablog; Byron and Jim D. at Burnt Orange Report.

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Comments

So lots of promises, even a middle class tax cut! Cheaper health care. More government jobs. Tougher military. Enact all the 9/11 commission recommendations. Cut the deficit in half. Incentives for businesses to keep jobs here instead of offshoring them. Blah blah blah. (I hope someone writes down ALL the promises so we can keep score should he win in November.)

Uh, not sure how he plans on funding all these things. Increasing taxes on 2% of Americans probably wouldn't cover the bill. In the same breath he mentioned tax breaks for corporations, he mentioned closing corporatin tax loop holes!

Speech meandered along. Lacking the fervor of other speakers this week.

Posted by: muckdog on July 29, 2004 10:44 PM


It was a speech of sounding specific without really being specific. With a about five sentences combined on his senate career and the war in Iraq he was a bit vague.
The democratic party, including Kerry's people are basically making this election a referendum on Bush, instead of a viable match between two amiable opponents. The catch...it seems to be working. But America deserves to know Kerry's views.

Posted by: Nate on July 29, 2004 11:21 PM



The DEMS are on FIRE!!!!!

Time to take it to 1600 PA Ave!

check out the new website:

leftinthedark.net

Go Kerry!

Posted by: LITD on July 29, 2004 11:23 PM


Uh, not sure how he plans on funding all these things. Increasing taxes on 2% of Americans probably wouldn't cover the bill.

As I remember, that 2% traditionally provides about 35% of the tax base. It's because they're wealthy, and make a** loads of money. Bush took their tax rate from 38.6% down to 15%.

Posted by: phidipides on July 29, 2004 11:30 PM


The speech was Astonishing. Far beyond what even we democrats expected. He converted a lot of Deaniacs tonight. And despite the slant of secondrate hacks like Instapundit, a lot of independants.

Let the far right and their intellectually incompetant media hacks slime all they want.. the speech was an out of the park home run.. and it scares the hell out of them.

Posted by: cdreid on July 29, 2004 11:33 PM


"One of the most striking and dishonest features of the Democratic Party convention and nomination of Senator John Kerry this week in Boston has been the concerted effort to excise the moral high point of its presidential candidate’s career: his outspoken repudiation of and opposition to the Vietnam war in the early 1970s.

"Other than a relatively fleeting reference in the video biography presented Thursday night, which concentrated on his military career, almost no mention was made during four days of the convention of Kerry’s antiwar activity.

"There is a farcical element to this. Everyone in the Democratic Party hierarchy, every delegate and every member of the media is aware of Kerry’s record, but no one can mention it—his career is being 'sanitized,' in the eyes of the political and media establishment. What does this falsification of history—that it must deny past opposition to one of the greatest criminal enterprises of the twentieth century—say about the Democratic Party as a whole?"

The great unmentionable at the Democratic convention: Kerry’s antiwar past
By David Walsh, 30 July 2004

Posted by: Andreas on July 30, 2004 12:16 AM


It's apparent that Kerry cannot afford to reveal his inner manifesto to the electorate, but a facade inevitably crumbles.

Posted by: Bendito on July 30, 2004 01:42 AM


I have now watched the speech twice on C-SPAN and I thought Kerry did a very good job. He made the points he had to make, and he made them in presidential way. The speech contained enough red meat to fire up the partisan faithful, but without offending moderates and undecided voters. Kerry staked out strong positions on the real issues as well as the symbolic issues, like the flag and religion, and he was not afraid to confront GWB.

There were some problems with the delivery. Kerry seemed to be speaking a little too quickly which made him seem a perhaps excited. Compared to most Kerry speeches this was a home run, but in reality it was probably just a solid hit.

Posted by: markht on July 30, 2004 01:46 AM


As most commentators have noted, this was John Kerry’s best speech. He highlighted the substantive points of policy he will implement and many visions & ideals that will shape his administration. I was impressed and did not expect such a well shaped message and charisma from Kerry. I believe he has improved his viability for office with undecided voters who watched this speech.

I only have a few criticisms. A strong focus on God, however since this secularist understands the importance of this issue with the majority of Americans , I can live with this focus. However he did make one statement of faith that I completely agree with, the place for faith in America:

"And let me say it plainly: In that cause, and in this campaign, we welcome people of faith. America is not us and them."

I think of what Ron Reagan said of his father a few weeks ago, and I want to say this to you tonight:

"I don’t wear my religion on my sleeve, but faith has given me values and hope to live by, from Vietnam to this day, from Sunday to Sunday. I don’t want to claim that God is on our side. As Abraham Lincoln told us, I want to pray humbly that we are on God’s side. "

Additionally, constant reminders of his efforts as a solider in Vietnam were overdone, but I understand the message consistency was designed to convince voters of his “strength”. Nevertheless, early in his speech he stated:

"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a vice president who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a secretary of defense who will listen to the best advice of the military leaders. And I will appoint an attorney general who will uphold the Constitution of the United States."

These concise and forceful points clearly shaped the criticisms and hesitations a large proportion of Americans have with the current administration on their hawkish desires for war. These points were stated in an indirect manner that relies on a continuing storyline of this administrations weaknesses.

Kerry also adds:

"And let’s not forget what we did in the 1990s: We balanced the budget. We paid down the debt. We created 23 million new jobs. We lifted millions out of poverty. And we lifted the standard of living for the middle class."

Kerry carefully draws the audience attention to historical Democratic accomplishments in a happier time in American life. Democrats has always had an incredible strong record on job creation. The economy has always done better under Democratic leadership. The stock market performs ~50% better under Democrats (~8% R -> 12% D). Democrats have always implemented policy to improve the standard of living for the working class.

Strong visionary words:
"We value an America that controls its own destiny because it’s finally and forever independent of Mideast oil. What does it mean for our economy and our national security when we have only 3 percent of the world’s oil reserves, yet we rely on foreign countries for 53 percent of what we consume?

I want an America that relies on its ingenuity and innovation, not the Saudi royal family.

And our energy plan for a stronger America — our energy plan will invest in new technologies and alternative fuels and the cars of the future, so that no young American in uniform will ever be held hostage to our dependence on oil from the Middle East."

Incredible words. If Kerry can deliver on this vision and priority, America’s economic prosperity and security will have a strong outlook. Our future economic strength will rely on our ability to control our energy production and we must ensure that the coming rise in oil prices will have minimal effects on our economy. If America needs to rely on Middle Eastern oil, then we are in incredible trouble. I don’t think Bush has this idea anywhere in his priorities.

It’s the energy stupid. It’s price, creation, and environmental consequences is fundamental my people.

He also directed these critical words to President George Bush:

"In the weeks ahead, let’s be optimists, not just opponents. Let’s build unity in the American family, not angry division. Let’s honor this nation’s diversity. Let’s respect one another. And let’s never misuse for political purposes the most precious document in American history, the Constitution of the United States."

The Federal Marriage Amendment was a clear political device to divide America for the express political benefit for his and the Republican’s party electoral chances. The president claimed to be a uniter and not a divider, however he has prove time and time again that he anything but a uniting figure in America.

The levels of partisan rancor and vindictiveness developed over George Bush’s term is pulling Americans away from focusing on issues that help brings success to more families and individuals. Our President should seek to do the best for all of America and not for solely his party or supporters.

I’d like more substantive talk from commentators on issues and ideas; the tone of the convention and the requests from the speakers is a strong call to unite us. Nevertheless, the political campaign run by Republicans has been dominated by negative campaigning. I don’t expect any change from this group as they don’t have any options. If they went positive on Bush’s record, what would they have to talk about?

Posted by: Nicholas on July 30, 2004 02:31 AM


I thought that it was a good speech overall. I just hope he flushes out his Iraqi policy

Posted by: anon on July 30, 2004 03:25 AM


Definitely Lincolnesque. What a political genius and moral exemplar we have among us.

Posted by: Deuce on July 30, 2004 05:25 AM


ugh! Instapundit says the speech was too long, yet it was 4 minutes _shorter_ than expected!

Filled with cliches, short on substance? I hope everyone is keeping an archive of these crtiticisms of the DNC speeches, esp. Kerry's. Are they going to say the same about GWB's speech, which will undoubtedly be accurately described as cliche-filled and substance-less.

Which step of mourning the death (of an administration) is denial? Isn't bargaining next? I'm guessing we'll be hearing alot of that next month. "Bush didn't say anything in his speech, but...George went 20 minutes longer than expected because of the slow, stuttering delivery, but...."

This convention and Kerry's speech was a huge success, and it is odious to act otherwise just so you can be contrary.

Posted by: joshowitz5 on July 30, 2004 05:58 AM


What was that loud thunk I heard last night as I started sleeping here in flyover country? Oh, that was Senator Kerry's speech.

Hmm, the choir is all worked up as to be expected. Let's examine some Senator Kerry's speech: "What does it mean when twenty five percent of the children in Harlem have asthma because of air pollution?"

Answer: It means Kerry is peddling junk science at the behest of his meddling wife. As science journalist Mike Fumento,(http://www.fumento.com/pollution/clearair.html), has noted,

Since 1970, the total national emissions of the six principal pollutants the Environmental Protection Agency tracks have been cut 48 percent, even as energy consumption increased 42 percent and the population increased 38 percent.
[Particulate matter] emissions have only been tracked since 1993, but by 2002 had fallen 17 percent. In terms of air quality, they have only been measured since 1998 but by 2003 had dropped eight percent...even as dirty air levels plummeted, asthma incidence from 1980 to 1999 increased by 83 percent according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

It was a lovely party, really. Remember the campaign really starts in September. Then things will get interesting!

Posted by: David on July 30, 2004 06:15 AM


Instahack wrote his review before Kerry spoke
his relentless attacks on Kerry make anything he said crap...frankly like most of what he post. who gives crap what that loser thinks

the speech was great and you cannot deny what the GOP's own polling and focus groups said --Republicans and independents liked the Edwards and the Kerry speeches and are leaving Bush in droves. They believe Bush duped them

Kerry did offer a vision for America and a plan and no matter what tiny minded creep like Glenn Reynolds snarks about there will be a new president in November and I hope it makes Reynolds head explode we could use one less Republican talking points in the bandwidth

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 07:00 AM


I was disappointed.
Never in the speech did he address the needs of those who "liberate" Fritos from their supermarket captivity.

When will there be amnesty for the Frito Bandito?
I steal Fritos from the rich and give them to the poor.
I feel Kerry is anti-Frito.

Posted by: Frito Bandito on July 30, 2004 07:07 AM


phid - " Bush took their tax rate from 38.6% down to 15%." That is just wrong.

josh - "ugh! Instapundit says the speech was too long, yet it was 4 minutes _shorter_ than expected!"

So, does that make it not too long?

et al - Anyone got a clue as to how many times Kerry has voted against nuclear power and drilling in ANWAR??

Posted by: Poker Player (aka Jim) on July 30, 2004 07:23 AM


PPJ
I don't think you want to really compare and contrast the Bush record with Kerry's

your closed mind isn't worth discussing anything with..

But people who did listen to the speech and have understood what Kerry said support him...he is ahead in all the polls and gaining strength --the latest zogby poll prior to the convention but Kerry ahead of Bush with Nadir in the race and after the covention his numbers will be even better

The only way Bush could get voters back would be to come clean and admit he made a mistake and we know he won't do that..game over

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 07:57 AM


At July,

I'm sure the Bush campaign will look at your advice seriously.

As for my take, I thought it was pretty standard campaign speech. Didn't hurt him, didn't lift the skirts of any undecided's either.

I thought the salute and "reporting for duty" was cheesy as was the, "Hope/Help is one the way" repeat after me portions of the speech. But hey, I'm for the other side, does anyone who supports him find that a bit over the top?

Posted by: Patrick on July 30, 2004 08:10 AM


Patrick
too bad you didn't see the focus group in Southern Ohio put on by GOP pollsters that showed all the idependents going to Kerry

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 08:12 AM


Of course, let's not forget that the card remora dismissed all of Bushs' changes in positions as the stuff politicians do all the time, while trashing Kerry for his change of position on the 87 million $ Iraqi vote.

IOKIYAR, eh?

If you believe that drilling in ANWAR would make a substantial difference in Americas' energy situation, then you really should go to the nearest VA hospital and talk to the nice doctors there about changing your meds.

I liked the part about what his AG will and won't be like.


Posted by: Dark Avenger on July 30, 2004 08:16 AM


more from the Luntz groups
all of the Independents going to Kerry
and the night before they had Republicans and half of them have left Bush..they may not vote for Kerry (probably won't vote) but they won't vote for Bush

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 08:21 AM


This party is finally over! Reviewing the speech from the Senator reveals that he likes to drone on and on about all of America's problems and doesn't put much substance behind what exactly he plans on doing about them - although I do gather that he's rather enthusiastic that the government must be able to solve ALL of our problems (forget about parents or families deciding what's best for themselves) - oh yeah and he did plug his website if anyone wanted more information (gee - thanks, for all that he could've just skipped the speech altogether).


"I was born in Colorado, in Fitzsimmons Army Hospital, when my dad was a pilot in World War II. Now, I'm not one to read into things, but guess which wing of the hospital the maternity ward was in? I'm not making this up. I was born in the West Wing!"
Gee...I was born Detroit in the West Wing of a hospital - guess that means in another ten years, I should run for President! (Weak attempt at humor, Mr. Kerry.)

I have unforgettable memories of being a kid mesmerized by the British, French, and American troops, each of them guarding their own part of the city...Well, right there - "a kid mesmerized by the...French" - that explains a lot about Kerry.

I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a vice president who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States.
So much for being Mr. Nicey Nice.

We're told that outsourcing jobs is good for America.
Yep, just like his wife's company, Heinz, does with some of its jobs.

We just need to believe in ourselves and we can do it again.
There's a great strategy for domestic policy - just believe in yourself!!!

And in this journey, I am accompanied by an extraordinary band of brothers led by that American hero, a patriot named Max Cleland. Our band of brothers doesn't march together because of who we are as veterans, but because of what we learned as soldiers. We fought for this nation because we loved it and we came back with the deep belief that every day is extra. We may be a little older now, we may be a little grayer, but we still know how to fight for our country.

I guess Kerry hasn't visited Swift Boat Vets for Truth recently. I'm glad that Kerry decided to mention his military service again because for five seconds I almost forgot he'd served in Vietnam.

Remember the hours after Sept. 11, when we came together as one to answer the attack against our homeland...

POLITICAL GAIN! POLITICAL GAIN! Kerry is using the memory of Sept. 11th victims for political gain! (I just had to say it because I know that next month if someone even mentions the month of September at the GOP convention, the liberals will be whining about it.)

And as President, I will bring back this nation's time-honored tradition: the United States of America never goes to war because we want to, we only go to war because we have to.

This comment smacks of waiting to react or waiting until it is too late and we have no choice. I would prefer not to be a victim and I would appreciate a leader who is going to take preemptive action and make tough decisions instead of waiting around to decide which way the political winds are blowing before defending our country.

I know what kids go through when they are carrying an M-16 in a dangerous place...

Whew. Once again, I almost forgot that Kerry served in the military.

Before you go to battle, you have to be able to look a parent in the eye and truthfully say: "I tried everything possible to avoid sending your son or daughter into harm's way. But we had no choice. We had to protect the American people, fundamental American values from a threat that was real and imminent.'' So lesson one, this is the only justification for going to war.

I want to address these next words directly to President George W. Bush: In the weeks ahead, let's be optimists, not just opponents. Let's build unity in the American family, not angry division. Let's honor this nation's diversity; let's respect one another...My friends, the high road may be harder, but it leads to a better place. And that's why Republicans and Democrats must make this election a contest of big ideas, not small-minded attacks.

That takes nerve - after bashing Bush (without mentioning his name) throughout most of his speech, John Kerry asks President Bush to build unity and that they respect each other? Har har har. Gee- what a big man you are Mr. Kerry. Way to take the high road after implying that Bush is selling out our country.

I learned a lot about these values on that gunboat patrolling the Mekong Delta with young Americans who came from places as different as Iowa and Oregon, Arkansas, Florida and California. No one cared where we went to school. No one cared about our race or our backgrounds. We were literally all in the same boat. We looked out, one for the other and we still do.

THANK GOODNESS! He reminded us again that he was in Vietnam! And this time, he talks about the values that he learned while on "that gunboat patrolling the Mekong Delta" - I wonder if those "values" are similar to the ones that he relied on when he came back from Vietnam and then turned his back on his fellow soldiers who continued to serve over there as Kerry aligned himself with our enemies and labeled our soldiers as murderous, war criminals. I guess it wasn't "cool" for Kerry to be a vet back in the 70's, but I'm so glad that it's "cool" now and that he reminds us of his whole 6 months of service in Vietnam every time he opens his mouth.

You see that flag up there. We call her Old Glory. The stars and stripes forever. I fought under that flag, as did so many of you here and all across our country. That flag flew from the gun turret right behind my head...

Wait, John Kerry was in the military?

America can do better. And help is on the way.

Yes, America - by taking more of YOUR taxes dollars, John Kerry will help YOU because he knows what is best for you. You need the government to feed you and clothe you and keep a roof over your head. You are so stupid, America (at least according to Michael Moore) - thank goodness we have the Democrats to help us! Whew. I.feel.so.much.safer. Kerry's gonna give us education and jobs and healthcare and maybe he'll even wipe our little tushies after we go to the potty.


*yawn* Well, that's it. Those were my reactions to the big Kerry speech (oooo....ahh...*yawn again*). I will admit that I did not watch the whole speech and used a transcript to help me collect the direct quotes, but these are my reactions just the same. I'm curious to see the reactions of others - pundits, pollsters, and average Americans - over the coming days. Now it's time for the real party to begin...the GOP convention starts on August 30th.

Posted by: David on July 30, 2004 08:38 AM


this is unity?

Posted by: Patrick on July 30, 2004 08:47 AM


Gee David
according to Frank
Luntz America's favorite GOP pollster the reactions by both Republicans and Democrats were off the chart --their little machine could not register.
He struck all the right cords.
Bush lost half the Republicans and all of the independents.
Sorry your you wrote your review before the speech was delivered.

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 08:57 AM


Debra Saunders??
gee Patrick
and why would anyone listen to that
rightwing looney--
I hardly think taking advice from her
or believing one word she wrote means anything to democrats...just more Reublican talking points
Looks like desperation to me
why not just moon the thread

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 09:00 AM


Jeralyn,

You gotta lose the Instapundit thing. He's a shameless hack. He's intellectually dishonest. And opening comments for *one* post is only worth mentioning because it highlights what a wimp he is.

(Let me know when he permits us to respond to all of his garbage.)

Get a grip.

Posted by: Michael on July 30, 2004 09:11 AM


At July,

That's right, just keep dismissing everything you hear, and repeat the mantra, hope is on the way.....

Posted by: Patrick on July 30, 2004 09:26 AM


Patrick
when you can quote a credible source I am happy to listen as long as you use people like Saunders who is nothing more than a third rate Ann Coulter you'll get no respect from me
The GOP's own polling shows indy's reacted very well and their are unhappy Dems.
I'll take my info on party unity from
Dean not you or Saunders

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 09:31 AM


correction above post

and half of the REpublicans are unhappy with Bush

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 09:40 AM


party unity

let me know when Arnie and Rudy speak about their positions on choice at the Republican Convention

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 09:44 AM


Berger has been completely cleared
Atrios has the full story

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 09:55 AM


I'll agree with Patrick that the military aspect was overblown. But I realize the convention wasn't aimed at me, it was aimed at middle of the road voters, to whom security is more important an issue. The best part for me was the talk of the gov't once again focusing on the needs of the middle and working classes. This will sit well with working people, I think. They are weary of a gov't by and for the wealthiest among us.

Patrick, I am curious as to your thoughts of the planned picketing of the GOP convention by the NYPD and FDNY, who for 3 years have worked without a raise or contract. Do you think it will reflect negatively on Bush?

Posted by: kdog on July 30, 2004 09:57 AM


Great speech! We know where he wants to take the country.

I would suggest a quick check-in with Rush-the-lush and Hanoi-Hannity today. It'll give you an idea of the views the right will have for the next few weeks.

(I agree, there is nothing more repulsive than an adult listening to a Florida drug addict dish on the Democrats and spouting "Ditto" in a hypnotic trance. But the truth remains that these people won't have an opinion until they're told what it is).

Posted by: phidipides on July 30, 2004 10:07 AM


Kdog,

No, I don't think it will reflect negatively on Bush. As a cop I know my pay goes up when there is democratic control (State and/or federal) Unfortunately, so do my taxes and it has been my experience that I end up paying out more than I take in. The RNC is a perfect venue to get recognition for their issue, mass media, lots of attention. They'd be foolish not to have a presence there. City PD and fire contracts are certainly not in the purview of the federal gov't, Bush Admin. They are a local gov't issue. Just because the local gov't happens to be huge, doesn't change that. Besides, doesn't N.Y. City (And therefore the state) usually vote Dem?

Phid,

Yeah we know where he wants to take the country, but not how he plans to take us there if elected. Increased taxes is surely in the mix there. Why not try for increased accountability for government expenditures on both side of the isle. The Gov't gets enough of my money, enough of our money, to do amazing things if they'd work to remove some of the B-cracy. I want a candidate who will do that, not just say they will do that.

Posted by: Patrick on July 30, 2004 11:18 AM


Definitely used to be all Dem, though now we have Republicans as mayor and governor, signifying a shift. Many of the civil servants feel stiffed by the admin. because they never completely fulfilled their promises of assistance to NY after we were attacked. I know Bush has no say in the negotiations, they are mainly using the GOP convention as a bargaining chip/leverage against Mayor Bloomberg. The local media has been reporting that picketers/ protesters plan on being a major pain to the GOP. I feel it will negativelty affect his image as someone who takes care of the people who work so hard for so little. It may cause Bush to speak out against the mayor, and create a little tension.
I was looking for a law-enforcement perspective. Thanks.

Posted by: KDOG on July 30, 2004 11:45 AM


I wouldn't worry to much about a tax increase Patrick, Kerry is no dummy, he knows that would be political suicide. Unless your 200K plus a year, in which case you are more than well off enough to help your country out instead of allowing it to descend into debt. Remember, it was the Democrats who last gave us a deficit reduction and a balanced budget.

Posted by: kdog on July 30, 2004 11:54 AM


Bush must have been drunk during Economics 101 at Yale. You can't spend more than you collect, it's a recipe for future economic disaster.

Posted by: kdog on July 30, 2004 12:07 PM


The Senator's speech in a nutshell;

Long & Strong on slogans, short on real substance.

Although if he appointed an Attorney General that Really supported the constitution, there would
be no more:


    Abortion
    Welfare
    Department of Education
    Social Security

None the above is specifically mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

Not that Lurch would ever push an Attorney General to enforce the constitution.

Onward to August 30th.

Posted by: David on July 30, 2004 12:13 PM


I liked Kerry's speech on health care and jobs. Thought those points where well made.

The portion on foreign policy (Iraq, terrorism, allies, etc) was naive at best. Either political fluff or he doesn't know better.

Posted by: james on July 30, 2004 02:42 PM


David
The option for those out of arguments-
name calling based on appearance.
Why not just pull down your pants it has the same quality to it.

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 03:50 PM


At July,

Name calling like "why would anyone listen to that rightwing looney--"

I can only assume your the same "At July" who posted that comment earlier in the thread since it seems similar in tone and content. Perhaps you're to frustrated by responses to your other arguments that you feel the need to post in a way that cannot be attributed to you? Must be nice to have plausible deniability all the time. I hope more Kerry supporters have your spinal deficiency. It will make it much easier.

Posted by: Patrick on July 30, 2004 04:32 PM


Dark - Since we haven't drilled in ANWAR you have absolutely no basis for your comment. And then there is nucelar. Europe is heavy into it. We're not.

You might as well face it. Wind power isn't going to save civilization.

BTW - Do you folks remember the NIMBY fit the Martha's Vineyard crowd, Kerry, Cronkite, Kennedy when some tried to put windmills up?

kdog - Problem is, if you increased the taxes of everyone making $200K and up by 50%, you still wouldn't have enough money to do everything he will want to do.

Posted by: Poker Player (aka Jim) on July 30, 2004 05:04 PM


Patrick
when you assume...

Posted by: on July 30, 2004 05:45 PM


little king david - How many pairs of kneepads do you go through in your noble quest to always defend the powerful against any incursions to thier bestowed from on high freedoms? Little a** licking sadist - youre pathetic.

Posted by: damnyankee on July 30, 2004 09:17 PM


True Jim, I think we will see an increase in capital gains taxes. I'm all for that though. Income is income, it should be taxed the same. Somebody who works hard all year is on the hook for more than a guy who unloads some stock while sitting on his ass. Not fair.

Posted by: kdog on July 30, 2004 10:33 PM


Corporate welfare should be slashed dramatically as well.

Posted by: kdog on July 30, 2004 10:34 PM


Card remora, this report that I found on a oil and gas news site is a bit dated, but isn't as optimistic as you about ANWAR.

This report from the University of South Carolina mentions that ANWAR is estimated at 10.5 billion barrels, or 1.5 years supply at the current rate of of energy consumption in the USA.

Good getting in the snark about the wind power contraversy off of Martha's Vineyard, but that's just human nature. If it were a playground for the conservative rich(Murdoch, Big Pharm, etc.) I doubt that the reaction would be any different.

Even though Three Mile Island was 25 years ago, no private company is going to go into the business of building nuclear plants now, due to the perceived risk the public has of such installations.

You forgot to mention that one nation that relies heavily on nuclear power is France. Are you saying they know something we don't know?

Posted by: Dark Avenger on July 30, 2004 10:41 PM


Problem is, if you increased the taxes of everyone making $200K and up by 50%.

Yes, you would. That 2% makes a** loads of bucks. Add that to the amount of what corporations should pay and it’s covered...in spades…and we can all have an Abrams tank and worthless Patriot system in our garage to boot!

In the early 50's, the middle class paid 15% of the tax base, the wealthy 35%, corporations about 45%, the rest came from excise taxes etc. Now the poor and moderate and middle class pays 45%, the wealthy 20%, corporations a little over 6 %, the rest is deficit spending and excise taxes etc.

Brave new world, eh Spunky?! I get to support the tax burden of the wealthy and corporations, all on a shrinking income. Two earner families make 75% more than single earners 30 years ago, but spend 21% less on clothes and 22% less on food because as much as 50% of income goes to housing (a real problem for low and moderate income groups) and because health care costs are so stinking high.

Posted by: phidipides on July 30, 2004 10:51 PM


I wonder if instapundant will open a thread for comments after President Bush makes his speech?

As far as the oil, a little conservation would go a long way. Drilling in ANWAR just delays the inevitable but would make a lot of money for oilmen at $42/barrel.

Posted by: walter on July 31, 2004 07:25 AM


Patrick
when you assume...

Yup, I assume, then you lie about it. I wonder which kool-aid drinker you post as when you're not being a troll.

Posted by: on July 31, 2004 07:49 AM


Why drill ANWR when we own Iraq? You think Vice-President Cheney's secret energy task force just might have discussed this idea?

Posted by: walter on July 31, 2004 09:23 AM


This is what the idiot son of Gearge Bush has to say:

"You see, if you can't raise enough by taxing the rich, guess who gets to pay next?" Bush asked. "Yes, the not-rich. That's all of us." Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Jul. 20, 2004

Bush last year reported an income of only $822,000, and his assets were worth as much as $19 million. That includes his 1,583-acre ranch in Crawford, Tex.

Posted by: phidipides on July 31, 2004 12:24 PM


Youre just jealous because Jesus loves him and not you.

Posted by: jumped by jesus on August 1, 2004 08:55 PM


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