Sorry dear Muslims. Freedom of religion, freedom of expression etc. is guaranteed by every western constitution. Discussion has been closed some 50 or more years ago.

Needless to say: if you do not like this there is more than enough space for you in Muslim countries.

From the article:
Instead they said they just want two things: a guarantee from the Danish authorities that Muslims can freely practice their religion without being “provoked and discriminated.”

Oh yes, they want to freely practice their religion that includes its own legal system, stopping work five times a day to pray and death for apostates. Wait, a religion with its own legal and political system, isn't that called a theocracy?

And this:
“We want respect for Muhammad restored and we want him to be described as the man he really was in history, and that he gets the respect he deserves,”

Mohammed's getting a lot more respect than he deserves due to the lack of knowledge the general public has about him. What do you know about him? Read the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim and the Sira or his biography by Ibn Ishaq. He's described in excruciating detail for all to see. These books along with the Koran are the foundational texts of Islam and define what it means to be a good muslim.

As she nearly always does, Mona Eltahawy wrote a nice opinion article about the cartoon affair, from a Muslim perspective. She is a credit to her community, and they need more thinkers like her, in my opinion. Good luck to her.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654

Here is a link to the article.

This Pictures has no result for denmark & this web page unless that muslims be offended & thay will be against denmark & this publisher of this pictures . in my idea this works hadnot result unless angry of muslims , are you agree with my idea ?

Islam is encroaching the Western world, legally through immigration, socially through da'wa (or preaching,) demographically, and also by classical jihad (armed conquest.) But the greatest advantage the Muslim movement has over Europe seems to be the unwillingness of Europeans themselves to draw and define boundaries of acceptable behavior within the West if not throughout the greater world.

Tolerance is a great thing, one man allowing the other to pursue his private interest as he will in turn to be left alone by others. Tolerance, though, is not apathy, not moral and emotional nihilsm. That would be apathy, moral and emotional nihilism. To disregard the rights of others to know the boundaries of the acceptable before they cross them into the fatal zone is a failure of social responsibility on the part of all tolerant people. To continue to move the boundaries of the acceptable, to continue to abjure ones social responsibilities to keep the irrational within the bounds of sanity for their own protection, to appease for the sake of ones moral vanity is to invite resistence in kind. To set firm and non-negociable limits to behaviour and thereby protect infractors from our reaction is morally imperative. "I will go this far, and I will go no further."

Islam broached the bounds of reason and behaviorable acceptablity long ago, long before 9-11. Islam, far from being a 'religion of peace,' is a 7th century warrior code practiced by those who can get away with it. Islam is a poligion, a political religion, and it is not rational, not open to reason. Islam is extreme in its canonical core; and Muslims, being raised into orthodox Irrationality, are dutiful irrationalists. They need known boundaries. They have none of their own in terms of acceptable behaviour in the modern world of Europe. We must provide those boundaries for them.

The highly unfortunate reaction to the cartoons published at Hjlands Posten recently-- but it was in October!-- shows that Muslims do not have a sense of rational proportion in regard to their feelings of exceptionalist Muslim privlege. We, then, as humanitarians, produce and post graphics that are deliberately provocative of Muslims. Our graphics are sometimes outrageously insulting not only to Muslims but to the average sensitive person. Rightly so, in our opinions. We, having seen the extremes of Islam and the extremes of Muslim behaviour, have drawn boundaries, too close for some, that we call the line we defend.

Our attempts at provocation are not gratuitous but reactive and corrective. Muslims have gone too far, thanks to our frivolous tolerance of ill behavior and sentimental posturings of senstitivies to others. Now the boundaries must be restricted to tight cirles to clarify what is and what is not acceptable to us in the Western world.

Pushed too far, we push back too hard. Our hope is for a settlement of boundaries. It is to everyone's advantage that we define the boundaries at last. Reasonable people will likely concur. Others might not.

I'm usually quite tolerant of different cultures and religious stances, but this is ridiculous. I am sick of Muslims whine and whine about how they are unfairly treated and that everybody is out to get them. You don't hear about massive boycotts and riots because somebody made fun of Christ or burned bibles. People accept that because it's called "freedom of speech." If Muslims are not willing to accept that there are people who makes fun of EVERYTHING including their prophet, they should just go back to the middle of the desert where they came from instead of invading European nations. What about radical Muslims that behead civilians? They do not want tolerance, but total acceptance. What is so special about Islam that they need to take priority over other relgions? Can somebody give me an explanation to this?
For the Muslims in Western Europe: You are there because you chose to leave your native countries. That means that you have agreed to be a part of the country of your choosing. If you want to keep up your cultural practices to the nth degree, then you should have just stayed in the middle east. Assimilate -- and realize that you guys are your own worst enemy. Now what? are you guys going come after me too and blow me up?

U r making me laugh abt ur western democracy. Hmmm so democracy in the west is only implied when it fits the western views else its called anything but democracy. With due respect to u personally I reject ur ‘western democracy” even tough I am a westerner myself n I object to ur pressurizing me to accept ur so called democracy when it fits u or else told to LEAVE to a muslim land. R u telling us all western converts to leave our country because we don’t agree with ur hypocritical so called democracy??? Jee thanx again it shows pure ignorance on ur behalf. What if a muslim draws the picture of denmarki president sucking other men’s bottom n showing his wife helping him by doing so?? Will that be ‘freedom of speech’ the so called democracy??? interesting how the west can force its view points on others in the name of democracy act soo low an arrogant n yet r given the excuse of being so called “democratic”. shame on u for accepting such low acts n insulting other peoples religion n inflicting pain upon billions of muslims in the world n yet calling it democracy. I wish a muslim publication in denmark print some filthy cartoons of denmarki president n his wife n will see if the democratic president will see that as a ‘freedom of speech’. I think u need to go back to ur moma to teach u the basics of life western constitution n yeah one lil advise from me , please look in to ur great history “the dark ages” while in the Europe people dint have more than 1 showe in a year the muslim world was flourishing in many filed of science and thanks to the muslim world the very computer u r using today which only understands binary language (01) was invented by the muslims in Arabia. If it wasn’t for muslims u be having shower 1 a year <<<.CHEEEERSSS >>>

As a Dane I must say that I’m watching how this case is developing with absolutely disbelief as it now has reached a completely surreal level.

How can some stupid caricatures cause such an outcry? They aren’t even particularly well made.

Born and bred and living in a modern well-functioning prosperous democracy with a free and open press, it is really hard to understand the hysteria these twelve ludicrous caricatures have caused.

I can assure any Muslims out there, that none of these caricatures were meant as an insult to Islam or Mohammed.
I read the newspaper the day they were published and didn’t even really notice them and neither did most Danes.
In the public debate in this country satire, irony, sarcasm and humour are all legal means and widely used and accepted to get the message across. In the past I’ve seen many way harsher caricatures of e.g. authorities, politician and the Queen.
In 1984 an artist even did a huge mural of Jesus with an erect penis. This caused a bit of a stir and some heated debate about the artistic right to freedom of expression for some time. As the mural was done in a train station it was eventually painted over, but the artist wasn’t fined or jailed or anything – the public simply found it to be a bit too much.

In this light the caricatures should be seen and were they meant – as a mean to facilitate debate and NOT to insult Muslims and their faith.

I think this ongoing free and open debate has helped strengthening both our society, democracy and Christian faith immensely.

Cheers
Gorm

If a muslim did print a picture "of denmarki president sucking other men’s bottom n showing his wife helping him by doing so??" nobody in Denmark would call for bombing the muslims house and place of work. Only muslims respond in such a barbaric and uncivilized manner which should give everyone in the world who is not a muslim reason not to trust them.

"thanks to the muslim world the very computer u r using today which only understands binary language (01) was invented by the muslims in Arabia"

How amusing. You invented the number system and now are taking credit for inventing the computer? Please tell me how many common household products you use that are "made in Arabia by Muslims".

I don't see any Arabic cars on the streets of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar or other Muslim nations. There aren't any televisions, airplanes, DVD players, computers, or other household items invented and built in Arabic nations that they can export to other nations.

So what exactly do Arabic nations export to other nation? Only one thing. Oil. And they can't take credit for inventing that!!!

I as a prophet loving muslim think that these are good in the long run. It increases out tolerance and it will help us blend in with the society better. But the process should be gradual. Ahmad

Billions of upset Muslims, I can understand that some Muslims are upset about the cartoons, but billions of upset Muslims!!!!!

you may say that we are useless (as i understand from you ) but can you live without the oil
yes we dont have tecno products to expot
but know this we are a grate nations we have our history and glorry from over than 1400 years
we invented the airplan(the first one thought about flying was a muslem)
we know that the earth had the egg shape from over than 1400 years
we have thousnts af men and women that went to abroud and make the dreams come trought
so i guess we are proude of what we had and proude of what we are

1) The queen of Denmark has given a speech about the European cultures and said bad things against Islam and prophet Mohammed (Muslims ignored her)
2) The prime minister of Denmark has pointed three times since the 9-11 against Muslims people (Muslims ignored him)
3) Some of the news papers have published articles against Islam and prophet Mohammed (Muslims ignored them)
4) The last topic is the caricatures of Prophet Mohammed.

People were not ignoring those because they are scared or afraid , but they said it may be a re-action of the 9-11 .. however, now they are not using the Danish products which may leads to economical problem in the Denmark.
On Other Hand, if Dutch have Humanity ,Values ,and respect the others religions they wont accept such thing on themselves or the others.

My Advice, Dutch need a guidance to show them how to understand and respect the others. However, if they do , they wouldn’t reach to this case.

Freedom of speech is something not known in those countries. If Denmark is going to make an apologize it will be a catastrophe for western civilizations and it is absolutely unacceptable to start limiting the freedom of speech. Danish economy can handle the loss coming from the boicots, and in fact, every EU country should stop selling goods to the countries as a protest. And the most important thing to do is to stop the HUGE MONETARY AIDS to the countries. We are talking about a heck lot of money here and what do we get in contrast... threatenings for some stupid pictures.

the very computer u r using today which only understands binary language (01) was invented by the muslims in Arabia.

I think not! Binary numbers were used long before that! And Roman plumbing was simply awesome...

Bob Doney

Europeans and modernist Westerners generally do not seem to understand the very word Islam, and certainly not the concept: "submission."

We in the modern world are revolutionaries. We do not recognise that generally. We are revolutionaries and those Muslim populations in the world are not. Our revolutionary lives, no longer stuck in the endless cycles of subsistence agriculture and feudal social relations, are so utterly different from those of the majority of the world's populations that they and we have little in common, certainly almost nothing intellectually in common. Perhaps more important than anything else, we in the modernist world do not "submit." Rather, we think, we analyse, we critique, we grapple with ideas. Muslims submit. They do not think. They accept. That is something we must accept. Muslims are unlike us. We, on the other hand, are so different from the world at large that we are revolutionary.

Free speech is not a long term concept in Human history. Private property is not an old concept. And the right to own ones life as ones private property is new.

To combat the reactionaries of the greater world and to continue our revolutions in the Western world we must continuously strggle against the primitivism of old, especially as it is now expressed in Islam. Modernist adherents to the concept of free speech are a small minority of the world's people. If we do not struggle successfully to retain our modernist rights, then we will sink back to the days of old and submit to the will of Irrationality, as do the populations of Islam.

Our postion here is that to make the situation clear to all involved, particularly to ourselves in the modern world, that Islam is old and stable and until 250 years ago the rough model for all the world's people, we must confront ourselves by making the Muslim world confront us without pretense. We must see the Islamic world as it is-- without illusions. We must understand that our modernity is in conflict with the Irrationalist world of the majority of the world's people. We try to bring that conflict into the open by producing, for example, graphics of Mohammed that are calculated to insult Muslims to the point that they are forced to confront their own reactions to the trivial, and so that we are forced to confront our reactions to our own commitment to Muslims as they are. We are modernists, Muslims are not. We cannot continue to pretend we are alike. We must find our clear differences and deal with them as they are. We can do so by publishing cartoons. Muslims then must deal with reality squarely, and we with their reactions. Then we will know.

http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/

Either get yourself an education, or get on your camel and go back to your goat-herding in the mountains. What a brinless idiot you are!

The appex of the Islamic Civilizatrion was hundreds of years ago. Are you really going to try to take credit or demand respect for achievements that are centuries old? If you wish to follow that train of thought then consider the fact that when the Romans where building roads and an Empire the "Arabs" and the precursors to Islamic civilization where squatting around camels in the middle of the desert. 50 years ago thats still what you where doing and in 100 years, when the world is less reliant on oil, you will be again. Your religion is grotesque and backward, no matter how tolerant you wish to make it seem. Freedom of speech is one of the most sacred rights western democracy has imparted on Human civilization. You are ignorant, your religion is backward and I can not wait for the day when your people are assuredly put back in their place, squatting in the desert where we found you. Filth.

I'm not muslim, so I'm not offended by this, but I am amazed at what a paper will do to get a bit of attention. Would it be furthering free speech to print swastikas all over your paper? I don't think so. I respect your right to publish these cartoons, but I don't respect your decision at all. We all have a right to live in a free society, but that right is constantly threatened by conflicts between groups who choose to use that right to foment conflict.

islam by mel byt postaven mimo zakon.

The freedom of speech that you call it as Democracy however in reality it is just a different aspect of your religious belief in practice. Muslims have respect and originality to their own core belief. People must respect this other than mocking them. Some people make fun of Jesus Peace be upon him, that we can never do, however this does not give right to make fun of other religious objects and you can not call this as the Democracy. Nobody has to explain you about priority of Islam that is complete religion. I advise you to go to bookstore and order one of those Idiot books about Islam and learn about its wisdom. Being ignorant is not the way you like!
Muslim did not want to come but the west stole its base nourishment and still stealing from it currently in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and Iran next... You can drive Volvo because you have money that came from Muslims and other people you imperialized (stealing, murdering then liberating)
Back to the history, you learned everything from Muslim Civilizations buttoning shirts, functions of restrooms to healing sick, usage of numbers (math) and physics but now you are acting, as you are the smart one... Sad, how can such ignorance be exist…

The freedom of speech that you call it as Democracy however in reality it is just a different aspect of your religious belief in practice. Muslims have respect and originality to their own core belief. People must respect this other than mocking them. Some people make fun of Jesus Peace be upon him, that we can never do, however this does not give right to make fun of other religious objects and you can not call this as the Democracy. Nobody has to explain you about priority of Islam that is complete religion. I advise you to go to bookstore and order one of those Idiot books about Islam and learn about its wisdom. Being ignorant is not the way you like!
Muslim did not want to come but the west stole its base nourishment and still stealing from it currently in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and Iran next... You can drive Volvo because you have money that came from Muslims and other people you imperialized (stealing, murdering then liberating)
Back to the history, you learned everything from Muslim Civilizations buttoning shirts, functions of restrooms to healing sick, usage of numbers (math) and physics but now you are acting, as you are the smart one... Sad, how can such ignorance be exist…
Cihan

you learned everything from Muslim Civilizations buttoning shirts, functions of restrooms to healing sick, usage of numbers (math) and physics but now you are acting, as you are the smart one

A little bit of an overstatement here, methinks. Everything? I know for a fact that Muslims didn't invent zip fasteners. Or non-stick frying pans. You should give us dumb Westerners some small credit.

Thank you very much.

Bob Doney

huh,,
well,,, you are asking us to give you some credits,,
ok then we admit that you have done alot for chefs and helped them cook better,,
anyhow,,
if anyone is looking for a better life,,
our Holy Qur`aan has left nothing,(when i say nothing i mean it) in life that didn`t talk about.
you can just learn how to read arabic,,and studying qu`raan would be an enogh degree to continue your life with.

The Saudi women you claim to have no right have the equal right to divorce herself as any man and this right is given to her by islam more than 1400 years ago .not by the west or the east ..while even any European princess cannot have this right till now. not only this but every western country and every state in USA is making their own laws concerning divorce, an issue which is settled 1427 years ago… for your knowledge, saudi business women were the one to launch this boycotting to Danish products .

Heloise do u have any idea of wat u r saying?
U r claiming that Muslims kill the apostates, for ur info this is a part of Islamic law which can only be implemented when thr is an Islamic leadership, which doesn’t exist n thus this law isn’t implemented plus u arrogant fool this is the same law that the torah n the bible claims for the apostates so why don’t u insult Moses or Jesus ??or insult Jews or Christians too?? Why pick Muslims? As far as ur comment goes abt prophet Muhammad n ur insulting him with ur pathetic lies than I got this to say to u” its ur kind that acted the way they did in abu ghuraib jail in iraq” its filthy and full of hate who enjoy the attack on a person who died 15 centuries ago n who isn’t amongst us to defend himself n its ppl like u who portray goodness like prophet Muhammad n Islam as evil n portray the evil like of abu ghuraib as good, so u r just as evil by going to the extremes of humiliating n torturing others .U r sick in ur head n have an evil heart . And am sure if u were able u be doing the same things as ur brethren did to poor Iraqi Muslims in abu ghuraib n n yet u the low scum is talking abt RESPECT plss keep ur filthy point of view to urself thanxx

I don't see any Arabic cars on the streets of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar or other Muslim nations. There aren't any televisions, airplanes, DVD players, computers, or other household items invented and built in Arabic nations that they can export to other nations.

looooooooooooooooooool dats because Arabs r too rich n have better things to do than to build cars n make housework products else wat wil u be doing in the west????? do u get me?? Arabs pay the west to do their jobs :)))) else the poor west will die from hunger if it wasn’t for the money of the Arab world n if u don’t believe me read in to the American economy n see for urself as to how this 'great America' is surviving with the investment of the rich Arabs. Once again why should Arabs waste time in building cars n making housework products when u guys do it for them?? lol n yeah u fool binary language consist of 0s n 1 is the computer language so if the Arabs dint invent this 2 numbers how could the west come up with the binary language which enables fools like u to have a magical appliance called computer?? Ha ha ha u seem to love laughing now laugh plsss n keep laughing n sleep on it aswell <<<<<>>>>>>

why would i mind having a camel for a ride?????do u ?? after all camel was the best way for traveling in the olden age but as far as the present time is concerned i have a nice porsh n i love driving it:)) cheers n hmm calling me an idiot lol wat can i say to an arrogant fool like u???? who seems to love speaking from pure iqnorance. my advise to u is go to hell :)) n yeah i decide as to where i should live , if i happen to ask u for advise abt it than u open ur trash mouth for now pls keep it to urself thanxx <<<<<<<>>>>>>>

hi lars
to us Muslim who happen to be 1 billion or more we love prophet Muhammad more than ourselves our mothers, fathers children n partners, another words every single Muslim in the world dat hears abt this cartoon story will be furious. so yes the whole Muslim world is angry not just some

u fool binary language consist of 0s n 1 is the computer language so if the Arabs dint invent this 2 numbers

They dint.

Non-Arabs 1, Arabs 0.

Bob Doney

our Holy Qur`aan has left nothing,(when i say nothing i mean it) in life that didn`t talk about.

How do you know this if you haven't read every book ever written?

Bob Doney

i think you donot have eanything to reply to me , right?

i think you donot have eanything to reply to me , right?

i think you donot have eanything to reply to me , right?

What about? You don't seem to have posted any message in this thread?!!!

Bob Doney

They dint.
Non-Arabs 1, Arabs 0.

haha, well said.

James A. Michener, "ISLAM: THE MISUNDERSTOOD RELIGION," in READER'S DIGEST (American edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70.
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.

I agree with the muslim: christians, hindus, buddists and other superstious fools are just as stupid as the muslims. Most religious people are hypocrites, they can be violent even though their religion talks of peace, they break most of their holy teachings rules when other religious people are not looking, and basically they have chosen, by obsessing on their supersitions fantasies, to be ingorant people. Ignorant, unintelligent people tend to react violently when confronted with ideas that are different from their own. And these superstitions are prevalent in nearly every corner of the earth.

Christians are not allowed bibles or churches in Saudi. The muslims and their clerics in Iran and elswhere scream death to Israel. On Aljazeera. com web spite and hatred gets sung. Tolerant people in the West are starting to become more intolerent of muslims living among us but adamant that we have to change. No you change this is my culture.

Sense of humour has to do with a notion of selfrelativity: seeing things in proportion and taking youself not too serious. That sense is lacking in the islam world today.
They go a great length in telling you that Mohammed is no God, but a human being (the christians claim their Jezus to be: God and Human at the same time). And per definition that means Mohammed can make mistakes like all of us: he is certainly not infaillable. He spoke Arabic, what is just another language - like Greek or Latin (or any other language for that matter). It is no holy language - language is a human invention and is never a perfect vehicle for thoughts. So the Coran cannot be holy: there are no holy books.
Via the Arabs lots of knowledge came to the West. True......,but they did not invent those knowledge themselves. They brought ideas from the Chinese and the Indians, which the West developed further.
Why could the West do what the Chinese, Indians and the Arabs couldn't: develop an true scientific and rational attitude? The Chinese emperor kept the inventions mainly for himself (afraid of democratizing!) and the Arabs stifled all individualistic thinking around 900 after christ. The Roman Catholic Church has tried to do that too, from 350 A.C., but around 1450 it lost its monopoly on scientific thinking thanks to The Renaissance.
From that time on the R-C.vision on the Bible,the World and man/woman was under attack. Knowledge has since been democratized.
Feeling of proportion, relativity of the truth (there is not ONE TRUTH!)and sense of humour stem from that period.
Moslims in western countries better get to grips with that phenomenon. Their thinking about men and world is outdated. When they attack their host countries, they show no respect to a great tradition of freedom of speech and thinking. Why should we respect people with no sense of humor?
Charles

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As a Muslim myself, I find these cartoons offensive, and it just goes to show that although the West claims they are not at war with Islam, they tend to contradict themselves through their actions. What people need to understand is that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and preaching hatred and offending over 1.6 Billion people.

However, that being said, the West can create all the propoganda it likes against Islam and our beloved Prophet Muhammad, the leader of all prophets and mankind, one day they will see the TRUTH, by then it will be too late for them to change their ways....

No matter what the West and it's allies plot against Islam, Allah is always plotting against them, and Allah's plots cannot be foiled. The religion of Islam continues to grow at a remarkable pace, and it is now the largest religion in the world.

Habib-Allah, Rasoul-Allah, Imaam Al-Mursaleen!

ALLAH'U-AKBAR!

What people need to understand is that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and preaching hatred and offending over 1.6 Billion people.

How do these cartoon preach hatred? They are just cartoon, nothing more, nothing less.
There are no hidden messages saying we should go kill all muslims, no boycots, no insults, nothing. They are drawing, get over it. No big deal...

This is true!
Fact #1
If it wouldn't be for the US, Europe, Japan, China and even Russia there would be nothing in the Muslim world, Muslims can't even build their own drilling equipment. Or ever built or design anything that requires oil. The weapons they use are mostly Russian made. Drilling equipment is Russian, European or US made.
Fact #2
The Small numbers of successful Muslims grew up in the west and were educated in the west but still talk against the western countries that gave them the opportunities, educated and fed them. They love sales jobs where you sit on your ass and can lie and cheat to make a quick buck.

ok jen i can probably write all day about this..i'll try to be specific as possible ...first of all i would like to tell u some facts about islam..
1)part of the islamic belief clearly states that a muslim MUST believe in god,the day of judgement and respect ALL prophets ,holy books and angels...it's a must ..i can never make fun of prohet muhamed, jesus or moses (peace be upon them all)..on the contrary i truly believe that they were magnificent human beings.. u didn't hear of boycotts coz someone burned the bible coz simply u have to have a muslim lunatic (i mean it he has to be literally crazy) with international media all around him ...this kinda acts are not acceptable to muslims..

2)u can not say by any means that arabs live in the desert..i'm not blaming you coz i know it's the media responsibility which related everything got to do with arabs with camels and deserts!!!i consider this a demonstration of how ignorant the human mind can be..
3)prophet muhammad(pbuh) said that "taking the life of one innocent human being is equal to killng all humanity"..it's the ultimate and extreme sin in islam...whoever does that must have some serious troubles in understanding what islam is all about..u just can't imagine how forbidden that is...
the only thing i approve in ur message is that a great deal of muslims is actually the worst enemy of islam..people forgot how great our religion is..and the west forgot to read about it..and the gap is getting bigger everyday..i just wanna say to the ignorant,stupid, airhead who drew these drawings " u made millions of muslims sleep uncomfortable knowing that there can actually be someone that ignorant like yourself..may god forgive u and guide u.."

What people need to understand is that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and preaching hatred and offending over 1.6 Billion people.

No hatred in those cartoons, only amazingly accurate irony. A religion that preaches peace also being used for suicide bombings of innocent civilians.

You speak of offending 1.6 Billion people? Well there are more Christians in the world than Muslims, and being Christian and reading the bible is specifically denied in some Muslim states. Now that is a tiny weenie bit more offensive than some cartoons.

Try comparing apples to apples.

But regardless, I'll offend countless more billions. Religion is the opiate for the masses, where weak minded people try to explain away their ignorance in all things, and blame it on an invisible man in the sky. Ruling your lives based on mythology is sad yet funny to me. In your tolerant Muslim societies, I would be put to death for my powerful, and correct opinion on your (and others) religion. Tolerant my ass.

"What people need to understand is that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and preaching hatred and offending over 1.6 Billion people."
Who's preching hatred? Frankly, I think those cartoons are extremely benign, though I'm not denying that Muslims were, in fact, offended. But ALL religions are subject to satire and, yes, in some cases ridicule, but why should yours be exempt?

As for your distinction between freedom of speech and giving offense, you're partly wrong.
Freedom of speech ENSURES that you can voice your criticism of others, even your state, your religion or the religion of others. It is an integral privilege that, sadly, is rarely seen in the Middle East.

But since you're partly wrong you're also partly right:
Freedom of expression is rarely absolute, in that most states have minor restrictions in place - usually to prevent defamation. You can't walk into a crowded theater and yell "Fire! either for that matter.

In Denmark, for example, racist statements and blasphemy are outlawed, but the Danish DA - for lack of a better word - did not find that any laws had been broken. So what's the problem?

"and it is now the largest religion in the world."
Actually, Christianity remains the largest religion even though Islam IS growing.

And no, to the best of my knowledge we in the West are not plotting against Islam though it saddens me greatly to hear that Allah is plotting against us.

Could you tell me what that last exclamation means by the way? (I know what "Allah'uakbar" means...)

Would anyone email me a copy of this cartoon?

It is amazing that few cartoons created such a huge havoc and perhaps boodshed in the Moslem world! It tells you how vulnarable this religion is.... Being a Moslem with deep sceptisizm I just support such cartoons as Moslems need to know what Islam really stands for rather than what the Mullas are preaching. Moslems need to be exposed to literature that is currently banned in the Moslem world and now the move is to bann it outside the Moslem countries. I appeal to the Western media to publishes literature about the truth of Islam and Mohammed, as this is the only rout for Moslems to read the truth...
This religion needs to wake up and undergo major facelift, otherwise it is doomed to vanish since it is propagating Jihadists. These are anxious to kill as many innocent people in order to have sex with virgins !!

Look at your name, I guess you need to change it as the sword is no more iffective. Try the belt bomb of Alla, as it will get you furthur into the lap of 72 vergins!!!

You need to change your name as the Sword is ancient and no more effective. Try my Moslem brother, Belt of Bombs of Alla, as this will get you further and faster with more deadly features, so that you will end up having sex to as many virgins as innocents you take with you!!

Hey all you arabs claiming credit for "Arabic Numerals" show how ignorant you are. They were not invented by an Arab but by an Indian. They have been popularly called Arabic Numerals because that is who the Europeans learned about them from. I am not saying that there are no Muslim contributions to the world of science and math. Under the abissids there were many mathematical and architectual advancements, but the number system, that is not yours.

"The term "Arabic numerals" is actually a misnomer, since what are known in English as "Arabic numerals" were neither invented nor widely used by the Arabs. Instead, they were developed in India by the Hindus around 400 BC. However, because it was the Arabs who brought this system to the West after the Hindu numerical system found its way to Persia, the numeral system became known as "Arabic". Arabs themselves call the numerals they use "Indian numerals", أرقام هندية, arqam hindiyyah)." http://www.answers.com/topic/arabic-numerals

There are some think that I do not understand. I do hope that I could get some answerers hear.

The newspaper JP in DK made an article last year on the self sensor ship that we do see in Europe media towards Islam. E.G. remember the killing buy extreme Muslim for artist in Europe.

If you would have been reading the newspapers in Europe for the last 25 years like me you would know that there have been many case with Christians insulted buy the newspaper and also many articles moving and changing the rolls for blasphemy. Also last cases against Denmark from Russia over the Tjetenian conferees in CPH (do remember this as I lost a contract in Russia because of it – at as the latest development they also what to kill us), with turkey regarding the Kurdish news channel in Denmark and the disagreements with USA during the cold war are just examples of a small countries with its own opinion.

I do hope that all on this forum are aware that the media in Denmark are not controlled buy the government. Problems with the media can only be solved with the cords and our queen is not allowed buy constitution to interfere in any political case. Actually see is only for decoration.

The drawing and the article as I did read it and still reads it can hardly without the pictures been seen as an insult to Islam.

Then the pictures lets just a second assume that the title did not say “drawings of the prophet”.

Some are jokes on the newspaper actually insulting it. Some a plays on the fear of Muslims and regional deferens in Denmark like – as the grads run to attack the artist – Easy guys After all it’s just a drawing made buy an infidel Southern Jutlander. Actually this like a lot of the pictures can not be called a picture of Mohamed as Mohamed would not bee seeing his own picture and sending cards with guns after the artist. The two pictures seems to be the most defending are one with the bomb – a play on Muslim terrorism that I do presume Is undoable as the fact that Buss is creasy like all he other fanatics. So is that insulting? The maker of the drawing did not make the terrorism happen hi just gave it a face. The on with the man holding a sword and have to covered lady’s (you can only see the eye) standing behind him. Well it’s a typical Muslim warier. I do presume that that is also a part of history. As a Dane I a proved of been the descendant of Vikings and would not feel it as in insult to be pictured as a warier. Then there humble man working in the dessert and some insult to the news paper not showing any resembles to a drawing of any Muslim.

So to my questions:
1: if the drawings were not of the prophet. Would they then be an insult?

2: is it not only for Muslims not allows making pictures of Mohamed?

3: if it’s only that fact that the pictures are showing the face of Mohamed that is an insult then please let me know what gives the Muslims in the world the right making demands to Denmark regarding what we do in our own country?

4: if you will say that it’s your right base on religions believes the please let me have a full list of what other things we have to change to submit to Muslim believes.

5. As this rights as I assume Muslims will demanded them, can not only be a right for Muslims I a free society like the Danish we also need a full list of what other religions demands we have to implement. It will give a lot holiday will I not?

Basically I believe that the Muslim world should stop it’s attach on Denmark and get on with there lives with or without Danish products. If you continue it will defiantly not be a more peace full world. May bee some argumentation that it would have been better not to make the drawing is understandable but really they can not be unmade.

So kill us all or get on with your life’s if you attack us I think we would have a good chance of wining. I mean 1, 5 billion against 4, 5 we would not miss with on single bullet and just for the recorded it was a joke. 

"What people need to understand is that there is a difference between "freedom of speech" and preaching hatred and offending over 1.6 Billion people."
Who's preching hatred? Frankly, I think those cartoons are extremely benign, though I'm not denying that Muslims were, in fact, offended. But ALL religions are subject to satire and, yes, in some cases ridicule, but why should yours be exempt?

As for your distinction between freedom of speech and giving offense, you're partly wrong.
Freedom of speech ENSURES that you can voice your criticism of others, even your state, your religion or the religion of others. It is an integral privilege that, sadly, is rarely seen in the Middle East.

But since you're partly wrong you're also partly right:
Freedom of expression is rarely absolute, in that most states have minor restrictions in place - usually to prevent defamation. You can't walk into a crowded theater and yell "Fire! either for that matter.

In Denmark, for example, racist statements and blasphemy are outlawed, but the Danish DA - for lack of a better word - did not find that any laws had been broken. So what's the problem?

"and it is now the largest religion in the world."
Actually, Christianity remains the largest religion even though Islam IS growing.

And no, to the best of my knowledge we in the West are not plotting against Islam though it saddens me greatly to hear that Allah is plotting against us.

Could you tell me what that last exclamation means by the way? (I know what "Allah'uakbar" means...)

ok can you tell me why is islam is growing ?.
can u tell me why churches are deserted?
looking forwards clear answers

I'll answer your questions, but since I apparently can't post in "Danish paper apologizes, Dutch..." I'll address your points from there first.

I'm not sure I follow - perhaps because your English is less than excellent (no offense, my Arabic is no doubt worse), but am I reading you correctly when I interpret what you're saying to mean that only Muslims are required to follow the "orders of God" while everyone has to observe the prohibition against depicting Muahmmed even though it, too, is derived from Muslim dogma?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see why there's a distinction between the different prohibitions, i.e. the "infidels" can eat pork, but we can't draw a stick figure of Mohammed. You yourself said that it was not the WAY Mohammed was portrayed that irks you, but the fact that he was depicted at all.

"now I want to ask you quietly what did anyone gain from those photos…is this wisdom….is this logic instead of trying to build bridges between nation..we go on to cut relations and put hate and psychological bloack between nation.."

Hell, I'd love amiable relations with the Middle East, something we've always had by the way.
You're asking if it served any purpose and I'm going to have to say yes: I don't like the fallout, but the drawings exposed certain anti-democratic elements and the willingness of some people to give into the lure of self-censorship, the lure of subverting one's own ideals and values (such as the freedom of press) to placate others. Under no circumstances can a democratic nation accept that.
That said, I'm not thrilled with the way Jylland Posten went about it, but that is beside the point. Their democratic RIGHT to do so is what matters. I hope you can see that...

"i have never hated Denmark or have any thing with Danish people ..but now even if there was no boycotting, I would have psychological block…
So now you hate all of Denmark on the basis of a few silly drawings?
Man, that's cold...

But it raises a good question. A bunch of misinformation and flatout lies in the Middle East have been spread in the Middle east about this case such as the claim that Jyllandsposten published a lot more drawings, which were A LOT more hurtful. Other misunderstandings and pieces of mininformation include:
- The claim that the Danish queen has said that all Danes must fight Islam. WRONG!
- The claim that the Danish media are filled with anti-Muslim slogans and pictures of Muhammed.
WRONG!
- That derogative posters of Muhammed are plastered all over the place! WRONG!
- That the Danish government owns and controls Jyllandsposten. WRONG!
- That the Danish government was planning on publishing a severely censored version of the Qu'uran. WRONG!

So my question is this: Are you, personally, and people in your circle of friends and family aware that these things are not true?
I really hope so...

(to be continued...)

1. yes muslims get more children, and for peopel working and living in muslims states like saudi its imposibel to bee no muslims unleas they are high qualified.
2. yes we do not need the to contact good and we do not need to lay down on our knee 5 times pr. day.
just as a exampel i have not visited my mothers grav in 2,5 year. i do miss hear a lot and i can find the places without looking. Good is insided me not in a plase. Muslims can not understand that. They think that they need some rooles to live buy.
The muslim religion is week that is way the reaktion to a small provocation is that hard

Hi..
I am Egyptian .. Mouslim ..
After all this shit I have only one question.. Why ?
Why to take a religion subject as a fun material ?? .. why to make ppl hate each other ?
I really don't have an answer .. but really danish goods now stay on store shelves till they expire !!!

My point of view .. it was really a very stupid move from this newspaper ..

Sorry to go off topic, but am I the only who's experiencing slowdowns and who's having difficulties posting?

"you donot know anything about us.."
I find it ironic that you presume to know what I don't know. Quite a trick.

"we are arabs are passionate people and have hot blood and half of our population are young people who already have lots of emotions and hot blood…"
I can appreciate that, but I wonder if you think that excuses young (and armed) Middle Easteners who burn the Danish flag and yell stuff like: "Oh, muslim! Crush the Danes' heads!"?
Or the death threats made against the cartoonist, Scandinavians in Palestine or the bomb threats against Jylland Posten? (I'm sorry if these questions seem offensive, but I'd like to clear that up.)

"I read that a 6 years old Saudi boy said to his mother that he will not eat his breakfast if she gave him Danish cheese or butter"
That's nice, but somehow I don't think he did that of his own volition.But let's not dwell on it.

"Finally donot you agree with me that certain issues are better to avoid than to provoke ..noone gain from this cartoons issues and if you are wise you see that the wo;ld is already fulminating and no need for more…"
I believe needless provocations should be avoided, but
I also believe that people should be free to express their opinions without fear of retribution.

"we believe in Christ and you too but we donot depict him but you do..so there is a huge difference.."
I agree, which is why I believe that you should be free NOT to draw your prophets as per your religion just as we should be free to draw ours...

To conserve room, I'll skip all of your rhetoric questions and carefully selected examples and jump right to the crux of the matter:

"come and e see before you speak"
Having been to a country does not afford anyone a particular, intellectual authority. It is quite possible to render a qualified opinion about something you have never seen. For instance, I have never seen the pyramids, and yet I remain convinced they exist.
Moreover, I'm confident that you have never spent a significant amount of time in Denmark and obviously you don't think that precludes you from debating matters involving that country.
It's a two way streak, Nermin.

PS: Nermin, could you please add a few indentations and some separate paragraphs. It's extremely hard to read such an uninterrupted block of text. Thanks.

"ok can you tell me why is islam is growing ?.
can u tell me why churches are deserted?
looking forwards clear answers"
So you tacitly concede that I'm right and immediately change the subject.
That's cool, we can do that:

I believe Islam is growing because of the lax immigration policies of many western countries, because of soaring birthrates in developing countries, because of what happens to apostates, meaning that extremely few people convert from Islam.
Another major contribituting factor to Islam's RELATIVE growth is that atheism is on the march in the already secularized societies of the West, while others still seek spiritual - though often Christian - fulfillment outside organized religion.

I have a little comment about ur words " we do not need to lay down on our knee 5 times pr. day "
praying is not just to lay on my knees.. it is like a christian prayers but in islam .. prayers are in written times ..
Even if u don't understand what i mean ( Ithink u don't and u will never do ) .. this does not mean that it is acceptable to make fun of Muslims prophet !!
that is the point.

Nermin, for some reason I can't post part 2 of my answer. (And believe me I've tried).
I'll give it a go again tomorrow.

Well, such rhetoric! It is a simple case of freedom of speech! The only differnce between a Fundamentalist Christian and a Fundamentalist Muslim is they call god by different names and conduct their services in different languages. I notice both get "bent out of shape" when someone expresses an opinion different from their own or does not worship as they say exactly. I notice both really seem to get that *eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth vengeance thingie down pat*.

I notice both seem to be willing to "blow up people, shoot people, maim people and threaten people in the name of their version of the one true and only Holy God!" (please neither groupd say you do not or Christian would not be out their killing doctors and blowing up clinics, or setting fire to their congregation i.e. David Khoresh in Texas, or Jim Jones in Central America,
or exhorting people to only vote the cross, or exhorting people to shoot other peoples elected Presidents ie. Rev. Falwell. Muslims would not be bombing children, men and women, kidnapping people and beheading them, haranguing, brainwashing and recruiting people for death squads.

Decrying the Holocaust and calling others liars about it. If you really listen to both groups they are always moaning and crying and wailing about "death to the infidel dogs!" They would both censor, control, brainwash, destroy, and denigrate ANYTHING good and most assuredly everything bad. The trouble is everything is bad to both of them.

I am sorely surprised they both have not "outlawed" singing, dancing, laughing, smiling, cartoons, candy, soda pop, popcorn or anything else inclined to make one smile,laugh or just guffaw. Maybe they were out of line, but you get out of line also at times. And if they were so pure they would not hide behind religion whenever doing their dirty work. Those Muslims are residing in "free societies" where they are allowed to dissent freely and complain.

Their mouths would be stuffed with rags getting the stuffing beaten out of them if they were dissenting in many of their "own" homelands. Of course, that is not counted.. it is all about religion. Well they have religious freedom. They get to worship to their mosques in Denmark. The Danish government has not closed them. Or was not that the reason some went to Denmark, besides economic reason. That they belonged to different sects.. ie Sunni, Shiate, Alawite, etc. Because they belonged to different sects, they were being repressed.

The Danes poke fun of Christianity also. Born to a Catholic and a Protestant, married and divorced a Muslim! I swear I think I have seen it all! Guess what! I am now a healthy, happy practicing PAGAN! GODS & GODDESSES BLESS US ALL!
Thank You Odin & Freya! Baldur save us!
I ran into their arms because of the Holy Christians and the Holy Muslims!
There are alternatives out there people!NOW! I expect someone to call me a non-believing infidel dog! And yet, I would lay down my life to defend your right to believe as you believe.

I will not try to convert you at the point of a sword! I will not torture anyone until they confess their sins and share my one and true faith, as I have heard it phrased before. I will not decry either of you as the "Great Satans", kidnap you, kill you, maim you, try to commit genocide on you or against you. I will tolerate you, bite my tongue when needed and turn the other cheek. Both groups talk about compassion, tolerance etc...and they are so sincere as long as it does not mean the other guy might be right or have the right to say something different!

In a "democracy" not everyone agrees with everyone else about anything! We have the right to disagree. EVERYONE at some time or other is offended about something or other. If you never want to get offended, your feelings, hurt, your nose out of joint or upset.. Then go home.. to where ever it was you came from first.. That is not directed at anyone group of people it is directed at ALL PEOPLE! EVERYWHERE! Because in a "democracy" that is what happens. A mind may be spoken.

What is not allowed are death threats, kidnappings, bombings, assassinations, examples being made of. And if these folks were so secure at home they would not be sitting in other places throughout the world angry and ready to kick bum all the time. They would be at home in their former homelands governments face.. Shouting, gesticulating and raising holy heck about things there.

But... they seem to be there in Denmark getting upset. Of course, any little thing sets fundamentalists off these days. And so many are bent on "jihad!" And if their religion is as wonderful, beneficient, compassionate and caring, as I keep hearing. Then they will recognize "juvenile humor" when they see it, lodge a simple protest and stop the death talk. Praise Odin! Thank you for listening!

am I the only who's experiencing slowdowns and who's having difficulties posting?

Have a look at the site stats - "External counters" in the right hand column. The site has had half as many visitors today as it did in the whole of January!!

Time to get a bigger server, Mr Belien!!!!

Bob Doney

Nuke all of them ..
Hitler should have focused his energy on muslims ..and not the jews .
Have you noticed, they are the biggest problem makers in every corner of the world..

Sometimes I ramble on but many times I have a persistent thought, I also wanted to take exception to the boycotting of Danish goods. The threatening of Scandinavians. The Danish people have been very good to Muslims, they as well as the Norweigans, and the Swedish people have time and time again put their lives on the line to save "Muslim lives" in the Bosnian-Herzegovian War.

You see in a democracy where not all agree, the people will rise to a higher occassion and come forward to to do the right things. You believe they are denigrating Muslims and the religion..well the next times you think such things remember the soldiers that were not "Muslim" but of Nordern blood that went to keep the peace, and save "Muslim lives!"

This is about a Jydske Dragonregiment from Holstebro in Jutland.

I had an argument recently with an acquaintaince we were discussing the Bosian Serbian war in what was Yugoslavia. In particular we were discussing the UN troops. My acquaintance believes the UND troops were ineffectual and did nothing extraordinary! BAH! I say they did quite well but I used in particular an incident with the NORDBAT 2 units ( compiled Swedish, Norweigan, Danish forces). I am looking for confirmation that I am right. You are Danish ..so surely you must know this and can confirm for me what I say is true then.

I said that the Danish soldiers of an armored Leopard Tank division under command of a Lt. Colonel Moller and a second platoon leader named Kirk, with their men kicked the bums of the Serbs in an area near the Bosnian Muslim town of Tuzla. This is in April 29th of 1994 mind you. They were fired upon with antitank weapons having come to the aid of a Swedish observation post as well as the Bosnian Muslim civilians in and around Tuzla that had been shelled for the 28th time that day! They won the day and smashed the Serb attack, saving themselves and the Swedish observation team, and the Muslims citizens. Both Lt. Col Moller and Tank Commander Kirk received the "Ebbe Muncks prize of Honor"

Perhaps, next time when UNPROFOR troops are needed..maybe the Scandinavians should not lend troops to save people who obviously think so little of them, that they expect their governments to be responsible for every thought, cartoons, magazine and newspaper article that does not sing the praises of the Muslims and their religion. That they attack random Scandinavians who did not draw the cartoons, because they are handy and nearby.

Perhaps the next time an "aggressive Muslim" country attacks another "Muslim country", the Scandinavian people should just sit back and have some kaffee, read a newspaper, some cartoons, watch some television, play chess, go skiing etc. After all, holding "all Scandinavians responsible" for juvenile cartoons is that not equal to holding "all Saudi's responsible for Osama bin Laden; for beheading foreign journalists, workers, for everytime a MUSLIM terrorist detonates a device! Of course MUSLIMS never do things that are wrong. But even if they do, it is alright .. as long as they do it in the name of their religion and jihad.

Hmmmm! Perhaps some people should not get"too mouthy",Viking bloodlines never really died out...did they! Just because the Danes, Norweigans, Swedes and Finns grew peaceful and quiet..liking things cozy at home..does not mean the Nordern giants cannot be awakened. Once awakened the sons of Hengist, Eosa and Haakon, Haarold, Karl
may remind some, that they have not forgotten they are Viking and what a "beserker" can do.

" Just because the Danes, Norweigans, Swedes and Finns grew peaceful and quiet.."

The Finns were not Vikings; the Vikings were Scandinavian Indo-European language speakers with a specific Viking culture. Finns, on the other hand, speak a non-Indo-European Finno-Ugric language, and has history of its own; in addition, Finland is NOT technically Scandinavian (not on the Scandinavian penninsula, and not largely settled from that penninsula). In speaking of the Finns along with the Scandinavians, the proper term would be Fenno-Scandinavia or Norden.

They did, however, do some trade with the Vikings, and a few Finns were perhaps Vikings, but the Vikings attacked and plundered the Finnic tribes like they did to others.

The Vikings left an imprint on Finnish culture, for sure, with its trade and settlements, but imperial Sweden politically took over what is now Finland for many hundreds of years -- during which time they (unfortunately!) considered the Finns as inferior forest people, with a strange language, as I've heard said. While Finnish mythology bears some imprints of Viking mythology, it has a common bond with many of the other Finno-Ugric peoples, and is rooted in that shamanism.

Sorry, I don't mean to be too didactic, but I feel it is an important distinction to be made.

An good old saying is "the thougts are free". And everybodys opinion is it too, everywhere on the world. Even muslims are demanding for themselve religious freedom in a christian europe when they are living there . In contrast Christians have a verry hard life when they are living in a muslim country. The daily news are full of such cases. Freedom and religious freedom are good things. But they should be true and working for everybody and in all directions. Demanding form themselve and not giving to the opposite part is not a good idea and will not be working.
For me the discussion about these drawings is such a case. Why to the hell the muslims want to forbid the danish and european people an own opinion about how they are seeing Mohamed and the Islam ?
By the way some of them are verry good and are just fitting in the picture the muslims are themselve presenting to the world of themself .

SHAME ON U!DO NOT SUPPORT THESE GUYS!MUSLIMS ARE NOT LIKE IN CARTOONS!THINK THAT MUSLIMS ARE DRAWING CARTOONS ABOUT YOUR PROPHET JESUS!
IT Ä°S SO BAD,ISN'T Ä°T!EVERYONE'S FAMILY,NATION
,COUNTRY AND RELIGIONS ARE SO BLESSED!WE MUST BE RESPECTFUL EACH OTHER!PEACE IN HOME IN WORLD!MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK (THE LEADER OF TURKS)

you speak aboutthings you donot know what you are talking about.islamic countries have always been the place where muslims , jews and christians live togther in peace without problemand that is because muslims respect and belive in their faiths and their prophets ...the jews fled from thehell of europe to islamic countries especially north africa after spain has fallen in hand of isabella and fernadeno ..you can ask any jew if they were suffering in our countries and why tehy still live till now in our arabic and islamic countries while thehave teh option of their dream land israel to livein luxury there...can you reply to me why there are still jews live in our countries if they ever complained...wait fro reply

you really have shown yourself quite well..i am happy taht you cannot hold yourself and make your true color appear..this hither reached laedersgip in germany through th edemocrasy you are giving us a headacke about and he is a result of the western civilization you are proud of..you should be ashmad of yourself......but as i said before you inherited the genes of hate and black heart from your ancestors

There is not a true East or West; it is a social construction. All people are humans.

May peace be with all people.

May all people lay down the swords, literal and metaphorical, and embrace in compassion and forgiveness. Peace be with you.

"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn't make any sense." -Jelaluddin Rumi

Let's get this straight. I'm sure Arabs are fine people. The few Arabs I have known have all been secular and supremely civilized with a touch of the poetic. They have been held down by their dirty pig religion: Mohammedanism. In the same way Europeans were held down by another dirty pig religion, Christianity, until Galileo came along. And later, as Saint Voltaire remarked, "Fut alors Descartes." Can't the Arabs connect the dots? No Galileo, no Newton, no Spinoza, no Voltaire: That, lads, is the reason the West is superior. Get rid of Mohammedanism or continue to serve tea to the British memsahibs.

Speaking as an Indian, from a very - overly, perhaps- religious country that nevertheless got rid of the British relatively effectively, Islam or Hinduism is no bar to ending the serving of tea to British memsahibs.
Unless they're back, and paying in euros, of course.

"My advice to Dutch"

Dutch are actually folks from Netherlands, these are Danes

mohamdian ..there is nothing called that .but youlik eto make like this tobe like christianty whcih isnamed after name of an individual thechrsit or budda and budhsism ...there isnothing called mohamdian ,there is only islam which is a religion of god not a person ..and it is really awful your bad word about religion calling it pig while you eat pork and thank god muslims donoteat it....you have every right to runaway from christianity due to all what yousaid but islam was never against science .muslims scientist had great contribution to all branches of sicnece and taht is why islam is written on cuba hall of tehcongress libray between nations and countries that contributed and had influential effects on humanity an d civilization.

Alija Izetbegovic, Bosnians muslim leader

http://www.rs-icty.org/galleryphotos%20eng.htm

http://www.rs-icty.org/frontpage.htm

Alija Izetbegovic, Bosnians muslim leader

http://rs-icty.org/galerija/video/Izetbegovic-smotra.mpg

Islam appears to be growing because Indonesians are having more children than other Muslims. However, subtract the Arab suicide bombers, etc., and you'll see that Muslims can't count, they just inflate. As for Christians, Christ set us free, we don't have to pray 5 times a day in gibberish. We pray in our hearts anywhere.

Islam is spreading because muslims breed like rabbits! Our western ideals do not apply to these people. Countries world wide are pandering to their ideals in an attempt to be tolerant.
We are instead losing our own cultures because of their slow but spreading ways!

i thank brusseljournal for allow us opinion.
thanks keep doing a good job.

perhaps you 4gotten that the jews that lives in ur country makes ur country worth living. The jews made ur economy what they are today inshort they control the world economy, be it in europe or America and that dirty Arab country of yours. gets your fact right if not for jews arabs will only know Camels nothing but camels and its shits

You say that Islam is a peaceful religion then tell me why do Muslims carry out such wicked crimes against Christians and Jews, both are people of the book so it is written in the Koran and yet you kill and rape them in places like Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Nigeria, Indonesia (and these are only a few of many countries this happens). Even in Bethlehem where Jesus Christ was born, Muslims have made Christians second class citizens, raped their women, taken their business and property through force and now they are being forced to leave the very place their lord and saviour was born. I see no peace just wickedness, Christ taught about loving the enemy and loving your neighbour as yourself, this is the love of the real God and not a religion that believes in world domination through terrorism . You do not know the true God of this world if you did his love would be in you, instead you show the fruit of the devil and not of the compassion that Christ taught. May the God of Israel have mercy on you and your people.

what are the number of those jews who make life easier for arabs...you always beat the hand that help you..you were burned in europe when you didnot find any land to host you but our islamic countries thisis always your attitude .go and hit your head in the crying wall....you the killer of christ as christians says. hitler has done well by cleaning the world from people like you

The jews made ur economy what they are today inshort they control the world economy, be it in europe or America .

that i swhy hitler was so keen to burn as much from you as he could and taht is why you were living like rats in europe hiding in closed cantoons and allays and that is why shakspaer depicts you well as teh greedy , malicious usury in his play merchant of venice 200 years ago.

you are dripping hate ....
when we say islam is fast growing religion .this doesnot mean in islamic countries Mr ignorant....islamis the fast growing in USA an d france ....go and search...it attracts intellectuals and university stuffs there ..not by breeding like rabbits mr fool.....go an dsearch for
1-professor jeffery lang professor of mathematics , university of kansas.uSA
2- dr murad hoffman ,ex german embassador and harvard -gradute.
3- italian embassador to saudi arabia..Mr torqani..
4- go and search for islam attracts ellite in britain..
these are few examples
then come and face me

You cant just help to know that you are a jew ...you are from a jew blood ..if not for abraham that slept that egyptian slave the arab race would have not ben created. You are from the Jews if you dont know and God cursed you all by saying to ismail that his hand will be on people and that peoples hand will inturn be on them...Thats the reason why you muslim world can and will never win over isreal cos they are ur boss. Today what hitler did is a sorry action cried out by Germans if not for America I am sure you all gonna be dead by now coz Hitler believes in only blonds with blue or green eyes... so nermin or whatever ur name is Go eat a fat Pig and get a life

The only reasons arabs are rich is because of oil. Look at how rich arabs were before the discovery of oil in the early 1900's. How rich were they then? They weren't. Your entire civilization profits from oil, nothing else.

nermin rhymes with vermin.

A Jew, a Christian and the prophet Mohammed walk in to a bar..........

You cant just help to know that you are a jew ...you are from a jew blood ..if not for abraham that slept with that egyptian slave the arab race would have not been created. You are from the Jews if you dont know and God cursed you all by saying to ismail that his hand will be on people and that peoples hand will inturn be on him and his generation.Thats the reason why you muslim world can and will never win over isreal cos they are ur boss. Today what hitler did is a sorry action cried out by Germans if not for America I am sure you all gonna be dead by now coz Hitler believes in only blonds with blue or green eyes... so nermin or whatever ur name is Go eat a fat Pig and get a life