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Saturday, May 31, 2008
Christian right protests Starbucks logo
I'll bet the Starbucks logo woman doesn't have a purity ring either, because that would be more wholesome. Can someone please find them a shrink?
The Resistance, a US-based Christian group, has called for a national boycott of the coffee-selling giant.Read More......
It says the chain's new logo has a naked woman on it with her legs "spread like a prostitute... The company might as well call themselves Slutbucks".
Starbucks says the image - based on a 16th century Norse design of a mermaid with two-tails - is not inappropriate.
The Florida and Michigan Democratic parties got what they wanted today. It's time for unity -- and the pressure is on Clinton to let Democrats unite.
The Clinton era is over. They no longer control the Democratic party. Here is what Chuck Todd just said on MSNBC:
Both state parties got what they wanted. But not without a fight. The Clinton campaign decided to fight the Democratic leaders from Michigan and Florida. Both states proposed compromises that they could live with. The Clinton campaign objected, and the Clinton campaign lost.
It's over. This was Clinton's last, best hope. Today's meeting was the way the ultimate insider should win. But, Clinton and her ace insider, Harold Ickes, lost. There probably was a time when threats and curses from Harold Ickes, like he publicly offered today, intimidated people. Not anymore.
So, the new magic number for the nomination, according to Chuck Todd, is 2118 for Obama. Our presumptive nominee will reach that benchmark in the next three or four days. Here are the projections via Jed:
Clearly, most members of the DNC Rules Committee -- even many Clinton supporters -- want unity. The Democratic leaders in Michigan and Florida want unity. Most Democrats want unity. And, most of us want to win in November. That's the priority now. Going back to the anecdote we heard from Howard Dean this morning, how in 2004, Al Gore told him, "This is not about you, this is about your country." Who will say that to Hillary Clinton? And, will she listen? Read More......
You know, there is a big thing we should be getting out of this party tonight, and that is the Democratic National Committee is not somehow controlled by the Clintons. Not by the Clinton campaign any more. We may have started this campaign believing that the Clinton campaign controlled, but this is Barack Obama's party now. He's already been winning the outside game, he now won the inside game. Yes it's true that Harold Ickes can threaten this stuff about the credentials, but Don Fowler really did signal today by being for the Michigan compromise that, "Guys, it's over."Today, the leaders of the Democratic parties from Michigan and Florida came to the DNC's Rules Committee with proposals to end the dispute over their state delegations.
Both state parties got what they wanted. But not without a fight. The Clinton campaign decided to fight the Democratic leaders from Michigan and Florida. Both states proposed compromises that they could live with. The Clinton campaign objected, and the Clinton campaign lost.
It's over. This was Clinton's last, best hope. Today's meeting was the way the ultimate insider should win. But, Clinton and her ace insider, Harold Ickes, lost. There probably was a time when threats and curses from Harold Ickes, like he publicly offered today, intimidated people. Not anymore.
So, the new magic number for the nomination, according to Chuck Todd, is 2118 for Obama. Our presumptive nominee will reach that benchmark in the next three or four days. Here are the projections via Jed:
Chuck Todd's quick math is that Obama is now 65 delegates away. Less the 43 Todd predicts for the next three primaries, Barack would need just 22 delegates to hit the magic number. If he gets those before Tuesday, Montana will put him over the top. I'd bet heavily in favor of him getting all the superdelegates he needs to seal the deal on Tuesday evening.After the Rules Committee voted, the always brilliant Rachel Maddow said, "The Clinton campaign is going to try to keep this unresolved." She's right. They can try. But, it's over. Florida and Michigan have been seated to their satisfaction. Hillary no longer speaks for them. Their states have spoken. We're going to have to watch to see if Hillary Clinton can now rise to the occasion -- or whether Clinton keeps up the drama and the gutter politics.
Clearly, most members of the DNC Rules Committee -- even many Clinton supporters -- want unity. The Democratic leaders in Michigan and Florida want unity. Most Democrats want unity. And, most of us want to win in November. That's the priority now. Going back to the anecdote we heard from Howard Dean this morning, how in 2004, Al Gore told him, "This is not about you, this is about your country." Who will say that to Hillary Clinton? And, will she listen? Read More......
UPDATE: Michigan resolved
Clinton supporter Mame Reilly offered a motion to seat the Michigan delegation in full, by a margin of 69 for Clinton to 59 for Obama. The delegates will get 1/2 vote meaning Clinton will net 34.5 and Obama will gain 29.5. Clinton supporter Don Fowler supports the motion, too.
Harold Ickes is opposing the motion. It's "inexplicable." He's back on "fair reflection." (Watch this video from earlier today. Senator Levin handed Ickes his head when he said ""You want a fair resolution of a flawed process.") Ickes has taken to cursing to get his point across. Classy. Ickes doesn't want Obama to get any delegates. Big surprise. He said this isn't a good way to start down the path of party unity. Oooh...Hillary reserves her right to take this to the credentials committee. Great. Threats. Classy. Just like the whole Clinton campaign. Ickes is supposed to be the greatest delegate counter and strategist EVER. Um, not so much after all. The Clinton team is on a scorched earth path, after all.
That set off another round of chanting from the small contingent of Clinton supporters. And, it was a very small crowd considering all the hype. The hecklers were told they are dishonoring their candidate, which they should know.
Good point: This motion is supported by the Michigan Democrats. Clinton and her posse are smarter than them, of course.
The motion passed: 19 - 8. Remember, this motion was proposed by a Clinton supporter -- and the Clinton campaign opposed it. Some people really do want to do the right thing, to move on, to find unity. Harold Ickes, who speaks for Hillary Clinton, is heading down a different path. Read More......
Harold Ickes is opposing the motion. It's "inexplicable." He's back on "fair reflection." (Watch this video from earlier today. Senator Levin handed Ickes his head when he said ""You want a fair resolution of a flawed process.") Ickes has taken to cursing to get his point across. Classy. Ickes doesn't want Obama to get any delegates. Big surprise. He said this isn't a good way to start down the path of party unity. Oooh...Hillary reserves her right to take this to the credentials committee. Great. Threats. Classy. Just like the whole Clinton campaign. Ickes is supposed to be the greatest delegate counter and strategist EVER. Um, not so much after all. The Clinton team is on a scorched earth path, after all.
That set off another round of chanting from the small contingent of Clinton supporters. And, it was a very small crowd considering all the hype. The hecklers were told they are dishonoring their candidate, which they should know.
Good point: This motion is supported by the Michigan Democrats. Clinton and her posse are smarter than them, of course.
The motion passed: 19 - 8. Remember, this motion was proposed by a Clinton supporter -- and the Clinton campaign opposed it. Some people really do want to do the right thing, to move on, to find unity. Harold Ickes, who speaks for Hillary Clinton, is heading down a different path. Read More......
Florida motions and debate underway is decided by the Rules Committee
First, here's some background on the members of the Rules and By-Laws Committee.
On Florida, there are going to be two motions. The first motion, offered by Clinton supporter Alice Huffman, was to give Florida its full vote and seat the delegation in full.It's pretty clear this motion won't pass. This motion failed by a vote of 15 - 12.
There are a couple people in the crowd chanting "Denver, Denver."
UPDATE 6:42 p.m.: The second motion, offered by Ralph Dawson, follows the proposal presented by DNC Member Jon Ausman: 1) all pledged delegates are restored but can only cast 1/2 vote; 2) all pledged delegates shall be allocated along this ratio: Clinton will receive 52.5, Edwards 6.5, and Obama 33.5. Unpledged delegates can cast 1/2 vote. Clinton supporter Alice Huffman supports this motion and stresses unity.
Alice shut down the hecklers. And, even, Harold Ickes is on board with this one.
And, having been at the Marriott for most of the day, there really weren't that many protesters there. It was a very small crowd considering all the hype.
This motion passed by a margin of 27 - 0. It's unanimous. Read More......
On Florida, there are going to be two motions. The first motion, offered by Clinton supporter Alice Huffman, was to give Florida its full vote and seat the delegation in full.
There are a couple people in the crowd chanting "Denver, Denver."
UPDATE 6:42 p.m.: The second motion, offered by Ralph Dawson, follows the proposal presented by DNC Member Jon Ausman: 1) all pledged delegates are restored but can only cast 1/2 vote; 2) all pledged delegates shall be allocated along this ratio: Clinton will receive 52.5, Edwards 6.5, and Obama 33.5. Unpledged delegates can cast 1/2 vote. Clinton supporter Alice Huffman supports this motion and stresses unity.
Alice shut down the hecklers. And, even, Harold Ickes is on board with this one.
And, having been at the Marriott for most of the day, there really weren't that many protesters there. It was a very small crowd considering all the hype.
This motion passed by a margin of 27 - 0. It's unanimous. Read More......
Rules Committee reconvenes. Finally.
Okay, I walked a couple blocks down Connecticut Avenue from the Marriott and am watching now from home.
The Rules Committee is back after a long lunch where hopefully some deals were cut.
According to Chuck Todd, who always seems to know these things, all of Florida's delegation will be seated, but they'll only get 1/2 votes. In Michigan, the split will be 69/59, but the delegation again gets 1/2 vote. Obama will get the two add-on superdelegates. Todd thinks the Clinton campaign will net around 20 delegates +/-2.
Todd's not sure if Florida and Michigan superdelegates will get full or half votes.
Under this scenario, the total delegates needed for the nomination would be either 2118 or 2131, depending on the determination of the superdelegate votes.
Herman said they are limiting debate to 10 minutes per motion, which is a good sign. Read More......
The Rules Committee is back after a long lunch where hopefully some deals were cut.
According to Chuck Todd, who always seems to know these things, all of Florida's delegation will be seated, but they'll only get 1/2 votes. In Michigan, the split will be 69/59, but the delegation again gets 1/2 vote. Obama will get the two add-on superdelegates. Todd thinks the Clinton campaign will net around 20 delegates +/-2.
Todd's not sure if Florida and Michigan superdelegates will get full or half votes.
Under this scenario, the total delegates needed for the nomination would be either 2118 or 2131, depending on the determination of the superdelegate votes.
Herman said they are limiting debate to 10 minutes per motion, which is a good sign. Read More......
CNN: Obama resigns church membership
While the DNC Rules Committee continues to meet behind closed doors, there's a little breaking news coming from CNN contributor Roland Martin who reports that Senator Obama is resigning from his church in Chicago. I'll see what more info I can dig up on this development. Stay tuned.
UPDATE: Martin's on a cellphone so it's tough to hear specifics, but I did manage to understand that he's waiting on a letter of some sort. From whom is unclear. Martin did mention he hasn't spoken to the church or the Obama campaign yet so we'll see what the official word is when it comes down. But the CNN punditry seems to agree that this move by Obama's campaign is an attempt to avert potential problems going into the general election. It's obviously sad for Obama and sad for Trinity, but from a political strategy perspective, it's probably safest to disengage from what's unfortunately become a hotbed of controversy before the fall.
UPDATE from Joe: MSNBC is reporting the same news. Rachel Maddow think it's good timing for Obama to announce this news now. Read More......
UPDATE: Martin's on a cellphone so it's tough to hear specifics, but I did manage to understand that he's waiting on a letter of some sort. From whom is unclear. Martin did mention he hasn't spoken to the church or the Obama campaign yet so we'll see what the official word is when it comes down. But the CNN punditry seems to agree that this move by Obama's campaign is an attempt to avert potential problems going into the general election. It's obviously sad for Obama and sad for Trinity, but from a political strategy perspective, it's probably safest to disengage from what's unfortunately become a hotbed of controversy before the fall.
UPDATE from Joe: MSNBC is reporting the same news. Rachel Maddow think it's good timing for Obama to announce this news now. Read More......
At the Rules Committee, Clinton surrogate Lanny Davis heckled Florida's Democratic leaders
While we're waiting for the Rules Committee to reconvene -- and they're already almost an hour late, here's a little color from today's meeting. Almost all of the Clinton spin crew was on hand at the Marriott -- including Lanny Davis.
As I mentioned in the post below, leading Florida Democrats held a press conference in the lobby outside of the meeting room to talk about a possible compromise. It was a pretty big deal -- and that's big news if there's a deal. While the Florida Democrats were talking, Lanny Davis was standing at the edge of the crowd heckling.
Not kidding. Jake Tapper saw it, too:
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As I mentioned in the post below, leading Florida Democrats held a press conference in the lobby outside of the meeting room to talk about a possible compromise. It was a pretty big deal -- and that's big news if there's a deal. While the Florida Democrats were talking, Lanny Davis was standing at the edge of the crowd heckling.
Not kidding. Jake Tapper saw it, too:
Clinton campaign surrogate Lanny Davis stood outside the circle and interrupted, raising his voice in protest that the Clinton campaign had agreed to anything less than a 100% seating of the delegates at 100% of their strength.I was there and captured some video of Davis in action:
Nelson noted that he was speaking "on behalf of the voters of Florida," not on behalf of the Clinton campaign.
"They're misrepresenting our stance," Davis said repeatedly.
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Florida's Democratic Leaders expect a satisfactory resolution today -- and they're talking unity
After the Florida portion of the meeting was finished, I watched an impromptu press conference in the lobby of the Marriott that included Jon Ausman, Senator Nelson, former Senator Graham, Rep. Wexler and a couple other Florida Democrats. The theme was one of unity. Ausman said he could accept Rep. Wexler's proposal for seating the Florida superdelegates with 1/2 vote each. Generally, the theme was one of unity. The speakers gave the sense that they feel there will be a resolution from the Rules Committee today that will make satisfy most of them. Avi Zenilman has a similar report.
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Liveblogging the DNC Rules Committee -- the Michigan case
2:54 p.m. Time for lunch. Finally. After lunch, the committee will reconvene at 4:15 pm and start debate.
2:16 p.m. Clinton is represented by former Michigan Governor Jim Blanchard, recently designated one of the top "hired guns" in Washington by The Hill. His first big scoop is that "in private," Hillary says she'll campaign her heart out for Obama if he gets the nomination. Clinton's campaign wants the delegates seated with 73 for her and 55 uncommitted. Note, the 55 aren't for Obama, they're uncommitted. Clinton's campaign isn't giving anything to Obama. Yeah, that's fair. (And at 2:53 p.m., Harold Ickes is shut down again.)
1:50 p.m. Former Congressman David Bonior, who chaired the campaign of John Edwards, is now speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign. Reminds everyone, once again, in Hillary Clinton's words, the primary would not count. Yes, he quoted Hillary Clinton on this. But, that quote might not count now. Obama campaign wants to split the delegates from Michigan evenly. (People are hissing again...seriously, that is so weak. Weak. And, pathetic.) Michigan had a flawed primary, only fair solution is to split delegates evenly.
1:44 p.m. Clearly, Harold Ickes does not want Obama to get any of the uncommitted delegates. He kept talking about "fair resolution." In fact, last week, Ickes has stated, in his role as Clinton spokesperson, that he did not want Obama to get any delegates. Levin smacked him down: "You want a fair resolution of a flawed process."
1:08 p.m. Senator Carl Levin: "The Democratic party needs unity." The MI Dems have found unity, asking the committee to preserve it. Claims unity from the candidates, too, for full seating of MI delegation. Levin asked the committee to not override the unity. The question is allocation, of course. Levin thinks Obama wants a 50/50 split, but that Clinton would allow 73 for her, 55 for Obama. (Not sure that's true). Michigan knows it was a flawed primary. Levin and his working group want at 69/59 allocation.
12:50 p.m. First witness is State Party Chair Mark Brewer who made the case for seating. Allocation issues are the big problem with Michigan...Brewer provided a lot of evidence for allocation. Read More......
2:16 p.m. Clinton is represented by former Michigan Governor Jim Blanchard, recently designated one of the top "hired guns" in Washington by The Hill. His first big scoop is that "in private," Hillary says she'll campaign her heart out for Obama if he gets the nomination. Clinton's campaign wants the delegates seated with 73 for her and 55 uncommitted. Note, the 55 aren't for Obama, they're uncommitted. Clinton's campaign isn't giving anything to Obama. Yeah, that's fair. (And at 2:53 p.m., Harold Ickes is shut down again.)
1:50 p.m. Former Congressman David Bonior, who chaired the campaign of John Edwards, is now speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign. Reminds everyone, once again, in Hillary Clinton's words, the primary would not count. Yes, he quoted Hillary Clinton on this. But, that quote might not count now. Obama campaign wants to split the delegates from Michigan evenly. (People are hissing again...seriously, that is so weak. Weak. And, pathetic.) Michigan had a flawed primary, only fair solution is to split delegates evenly.
1:44 p.m. Clearly, Harold Ickes does not want Obama to get any of the uncommitted delegates. He kept talking about "fair resolution." In fact, last week, Ickes has stated, in his role as Clinton spokesperson, that he did not want Obama to get any delegates. Levin smacked him down: "You want a fair resolution of a flawed process."
1:08 p.m. Senator Carl Levin: "The Democratic party needs unity." The MI Dems have found unity, asking the committee to preserve it. Claims unity from the candidates, too, for full seating of MI delegation. Levin asked the committee to not override the unity. The question is allocation, of course. Levin thinks Obama wants a 50/50 split, but that Clinton would allow 73 for her, 55 for Obama. (Not sure that's true). Michigan knows it was a flawed primary. Levin and his working group want at 69/59 allocation.
12:50 p.m. First witness is State Party Chair Mark Brewer who made the case for seating. Allocation issues are the big problem with Michigan...Brewer provided a lot of evidence for allocation. Read More......
Senator Nelson invoked the name of an activist who doesn't support Nelson's position -- and didn't do what Nelson said
Florida Senator Bill Nelson gave an impassioned defense of Florida today. He invoked a couple of Floridians to support his position, including Megan Foster. Here's the that section of his remarks:
BILL NELSON: Now, I want to give you some examples. Megan Foster, a mother of five from Tampa, frustrated by the incompetence and failures of the Bush administration, organized her own campaign. She rallied friends and family to get out the vote for her candidate. Her energy and enthusiasm was infectious and helped inspire many others to become politically involved and help get out people to vote all over the state; and then Megan was elected a delegate.However, Megan just wrote a post on DailyKos to make clear she doesn't share the view of Senator Nelson. In fact, she did not help get out the vote in Florida. She channeled her energies in other states where she knew the votes would count:
Senator Nelson just used my name to argue a position that I do not support. Anyone who knows me or has read my diaries, knows that as a Florida grassroots organizer, I understood that Florida broke the rules. I played by the rules. I organized Tampa Bay area Obama supporters to help elect Senator Obama as our next president by fundraising, online networking and rapid response as well as phonebanking to and canvassing in other states. In fact the week before the January 29th primary, I was otherwise occupied getting out the vote in South Carolina. I also traveled to North Carolina and phonebanked to Texas, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, etc.Those who played by the rules are the ones who are actually being punished. That's disturbing. Read More......
I ran for pledged Obama delegatge in Florida CD 9 to make sure that IF Florida's delegation is seated, Senator Obama would be represented by a loyal supporter in my district.
Live from the DNC meeting
12:24 p.m. Starting the presentations from Michigan...after a review of how this situation evolved to where it is. (I'll start a new thread for Michigan in a bit.)
12:15 p.m. Wexler is good. Very smart. Clinton's delegate guru, Harold Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee, tried to trip up Wexler. That didn't work. Big time. After getting slammed, Ickes asked a second question that no one understood. It was actually a very funny exchange. Gave some insight into why the Clinton delegate process didn't work out so well. Wexler is very, very good.
11:50 a.m. Following a presentation on behalf of the Clinton campaign by Florida State Senator Arthenia Joyner, Rep. Robert Wexler is speaking to the committee on behalf of the Obama campaign. He wants to address the frustration of Florida voters so Democrats can win in November. And, he was pretty clear: Don't blame this mess on Obama. (Also, pretty clear the room is packed with Obama supporters -- and I think I heard hisses when Donna Brazile spoke. Huh?) Wexler, on behalf of the Obama campaign, supports the position of the Florida DNC member, Jon Ausman, who wants half the delegation seated. That means everyone supports that view. Wexler wants the superdelegates to get half a vote each, too. Weird...people really are hissing in this room. Is this junior high?
11:21 a.m. Senator Bill Nelson is up to defend Florida. Apparently, we're all supposed to ignore this video of one of Florida's Democratic State Senator Geller openly mocking the DNC and its rules. (Nelson called it "a movie" -- I think that was his word.) Also, check out this post from Josh Marshall today, linking to this analysis of Florida voter turnout which, according to Josh:
10:37 a.m. The legalese part of the process is underway. The appeal from Florida is being presented by a Florida DNC member. He seems most interested in getting full votes for Florida's superdelegates. For a little excitement, I just got a text message from the Weather Channel that "A Tornado Watch has been issued for Washington DC."
10:22 a.m. The co-chairs of the Committee, Herman and Roosevelt, gave the history of how we got to where we are. This wasn't some arbitrary decision to punish Michigan and Florida. There is a long procedural history to this controversy -- with strict adherence to the rules (and no one does rules like the Democrats). It wasn't like Florida and Michigan weren't warned. Roosevelt explained in detail all the interactions with Florida to try to ameliorate the situation.
9:55 a.m. Howard Dean: It's been "extraordinary" that all 50 states have participated. It's true. Lest we forget, Howard Dean started the 50 state strategy, to some mocking from the smarty pants crowd. Dean's giving a good overview of how much stronger the party is at this point. He's right. "The American people are ready for change." And, love this line: "Texas is ready to turn blue." Dean provided some great perspective and told an anecdote about Al Gore. When Dean was bitter after losing, Gore said to him, "This is not about you, this is about your country."
9:48 a.m. Rules Committee co-chair Alexis Herman (former Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton) called the meeting to order and the co-chair, Jim Roosevelt, called the roll. Starting a little late, or course. Two members aren't present but gave proxies to others. So it begins.
So, I'm here -- as are most of the political media. And, fortunately, some friends from the blogosphere including Jane Hamsher and Marcy Wheeler. I'm sitting in the press balcony overlooking the floor. I'll have pics and, hopefully, some video as the day unfolds. This could be a very boring process -- somewhere between a congressional hearing and a Supreme Court argument. I'll do my best to keep it interesting for as long as I can.
Walking up to the Marriott, I kept waiting to encounter the huge protest. After all, the protest organizers were predicting a crowd of 10,000 (including the McCain and Huckabee crew), but it's much, much, much smaller than - couple hundred, maybe. (And, maybe the other 9,700 protesters have arrived since I came inside the hotel.)
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12:15 p.m. Wexler is good. Very smart. Clinton's delegate guru, Harold Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee, tried to trip up Wexler. That didn't work. Big time. After getting slammed, Ickes asked a second question that no one understood. It was actually a very funny exchange. Gave some insight into why the Clinton delegate process didn't work out so well. Wexler is very, very good.
11:50 a.m. Following a presentation on behalf of the Clinton campaign by Florida State Senator Arthenia Joyner, Rep. Robert Wexler is speaking to the committee on behalf of the Obama campaign. He wants to address the frustration of Florida voters so Democrats can win in November. And, he was pretty clear: Don't blame this mess on Obama. (Also, pretty clear the room is packed with Obama supporters -- and I think I heard hisses when Donna Brazile spoke. Huh?) Wexler, on behalf of the Obama campaign, supports the position of the Florida DNC member, Jon Ausman, who wants half the delegation seated. That means everyone supports that view. Wexler wants the superdelegates to get half a vote each, too. Weird...people really are hissing in this room. Is this junior high?
11:21 a.m. Senator Bill Nelson is up to defend Florida. Apparently, we're all supposed to ignore this video of one of Florida's Democratic State Senator Geller openly mocking the DNC and its rules. (Nelson called it "a movie" -- I think that was his word.) Also, check out this post from Josh Marshall today, linking to this analysis of Florida voter turnout which, according to Josh:
makes a very strong statistical case that as many as one million voters in Florida and probably more than a half million voters in Michigan did not vote who otherwise would have if they had not believed that the results would not be counted.I do wish that Florida's Democrats would put as much time and energy into building the party down there as they are putting into this mess. They're doing a lot of complaining about how the Republicans control the state legislature. Here's an idea: work as hard to get more legislators seated in Tallahassee as you're all working to get your delegates seated in Denver.
10:37 a.m. The legalese part of the process is underway. The appeal from Florida is being presented by a Florida DNC member. He seems most interested in getting full votes for Florida's superdelegates. For a little excitement, I just got a text message from the Weather Channel that "A Tornado Watch has been issued for Washington DC."
10:22 a.m. The co-chairs of the Committee, Herman and Roosevelt, gave the history of how we got to where we are. This wasn't some arbitrary decision to punish Michigan and Florida. There is a long procedural history to this controversy -- with strict adherence to the rules (and no one does rules like the Democrats). It wasn't like Florida and Michigan weren't warned. Roosevelt explained in detail all the interactions with Florida to try to ameliorate the situation.
9:55 a.m. Howard Dean: It's been "extraordinary" that all 50 states have participated. It's true. Lest we forget, Howard Dean started the 50 state strategy, to some mocking from the smarty pants crowd. Dean's giving a good overview of how much stronger the party is at this point. He's right. "The American people are ready for change." And, love this line: "Texas is ready to turn blue." Dean provided some great perspective and told an anecdote about Al Gore. When Dean was bitter after losing, Gore said to him, "This is not about you, this is about your country."
9:48 a.m. Rules Committee co-chair Alexis Herman (former Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton) called the meeting to order and the co-chair, Jim Roosevelt, called the roll. Starting a little late, or course. Two members aren't present but gave proxies to others. So it begins.
So, I'm here -- as are most of the political media. And, fortunately, some friends from the blogosphere including Jane Hamsher and Marcy Wheeler. I'm sitting in the press balcony overlooking the floor. I'll have pics and, hopefully, some video as the day unfolds. This could be a very boring process -- somewhere between a congressional hearing and a Supreme Court argument. I'll do my best to keep it interesting for as long as I can.
Walking up to the Marriott, I kept waiting to encounter the huge protest. After all, the protest organizers were predicting a crowd of 10,000 (including the McCain and Huckabee crew), but it's much, much, much smaller than - couple hundred, maybe. (And, maybe the other 9,700 protesters have arrived since I came inside the hotel.)
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A week after DNC took FL's delegates away, Michigan gov. signs law moving their primary up too
Joe is now at the Rules meeting, he just ran into FDL's Jane Hamsher. The meeting doesn't start until 930AM.
In the meantime, I was just reading my Washington Post and noticed something rather significant. The DNC sanctioned Florida on August 25, 2007 by stripping away its delegates. That made it painfully clear what would happen to any state that moved its primary up in violation of DNC rules. So what does Michigan do one week later, on September 4, 2007? Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat, signs a law establishing their January 15th primary, in violation of DNC rules. Michigan knew exactly what was going to happen if they broke the rules, they just watched Florida lose its delegates one week earlier, and they did it anyway. And now they're acting all surprised.
There really are some atrocious issues underlying this entire conflict.
1. Florida and Michigan Democrats were complicit in all of this. This wasn't something the Republicans forced on them - they wanted to break the rules, and they did.
2. Florida and Michigan knew in advance that they'd lose their delegates if they moved their primaries up. They didn't care.
3. The reason we have these rules, the reason we have these sanctions, is to protect the primary process, and in particular to protect the first-in-the-nation status of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. If FL and MI are let off the hook, as Hillary is proposing, then there are no rules, and we'll have a free-for-all the next time around when every state keeps moving their primaries up and up and up until we have non-stop primaries for 4 years. Read More......
In the meantime, I was just reading my Washington Post and noticed something rather significant. The DNC sanctioned Florida on August 25, 2007 by stripping away its delegates. That made it painfully clear what would happen to any state that moved its primary up in violation of DNC rules. So what does Michigan do one week later, on September 4, 2007? Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat, signs a law establishing their January 15th primary, in violation of DNC rules. Michigan knew exactly what was going to happen if they broke the rules, they just watched Florida lose its delegates one week earlier, and they did it anyway. And now they're acting all surprised.
There really are some atrocious issues underlying this entire conflict.
1. Florida and Michigan Democrats were complicit in all of this. This wasn't something the Republicans forced on them - they wanted to break the rules, and they did.
2. Florida and Michigan knew in advance that they'd lose their delegates if they moved their primaries up. They didn't care.
3. The reason we have these rules, the reason we have these sanctions, is to protect the primary process, and in particular to protect the first-in-the-nation status of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. If FL and MI are let off the hook, as Hillary is proposing, then there are no rules, and we'll have a free-for-all the next time around when every state keeps moving their primaries up and up and up until we have non-stop primaries for 4 years. Read More......
Michigan's "Soviet-like ballot" gave voters no choice, depressed turnout
UPDATE FROM JOHN: Joe just called. He's arrived at the hotel where the meeting is taking place. To quote Joe: "There aren't ten thousand people here." (That's what the protest organizers were promising.)
Heading over to the Wardman Park Marriott for the DNC Rules Committee meeting. I'll be liveblogging the proceedings (they start at 930am Eastern). C-SPAN will be covering it live, too. Leave it to the Democrats to get caught up in a contentious intra-party battle over rules just five months before the election. Maddening.
For the past months, we've had to listen to Hillary Clinton and her spinners talk about the fair result in Michigan. That would be the election where she was the only person on the ballot. Former Senator Don Riegle offered his views on the Michigan primary in the Detroit News yesterday:
Heading over to the Wardman Park Marriott for the DNC Rules Committee meeting. I'll be liveblogging the proceedings (they start at 930am Eastern). C-SPAN will be covering it live, too. Leave it to the Democrats to get caught up in a contentious intra-party battle over rules just five months before the election. Maddening.
For the past months, we've had to listen to Hillary Clinton and her spinners talk about the fair result in Michigan. That would be the election where she was the only person on the ballot. Former Senator Don Riegle offered his views on the Michigan primary in the Detroit News yesterday:
The Michigan Democratic primary election offered a Soviet-like ballot -- in that Michigan voters were not given a real choice among candidates. There was no competitive Democratic primary in Michigan -- a primary where viable candidates compete to earn the support of voters. Instead, Michigan Democratic Party officials permitted an election to take place even though three of the viable candidates (Barack Obama, John Edwards and Bill Richardson) had properly removed their names from the ballot to fully comply with DNC rules. The election went forward with only one viable candidate on the ballot (Hillary Rodham Clinton) in direct violation of DNC rules and with full knowledge -- and acknowledgement -- that the Michigan delegation would not be seated at the nominating convention in Denver.That would also be the election that Hillary Clinton agreed would "count for nothing." At the time, Hillary's only concern about Michigan was how we would fare against Republicans in the fall - she didn't care one lick about "fairness" or "every vote being counted":
As a result, the percentage of Michigan voter turnout was lower than any other state except Utah -- a state the Republicans won in 2004 with 70 percent of the vote. It is estimated that a competitive primary would have resulted in at least 700,000 more Democratic voters in Michigan. In fact, those who might have voted actually represent a greater number than those that did vote in the rogue Democratic primary.
Given that voters were offered no real choice among candidates and that Michigan's vote would not count, voter participation as a consequence was reduced by 50 percent or more.
The results of this fake primary cannot be used as a proper basis for determining the allocation of delegates to the remaining two Presidential candidates. As there was no real competition, there is no meaningful basis for accurately measuring either candidate's level of support in Michigan.
"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said Thursday during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program, "The Exchange." "But I just personally did not want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever, and then after the nomination, we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in 2008."Read More......
Perfect for summer
Picnic food and just hanging out with friends and family. Throw in a bottle of wine or whatever you like and roll out your blanket on the grass. What's your favorite summer picnic food? Read More......
Are Europeans just commies or are Americans wimps?
There's an old belief in America that if you work hard and do the right thing, you can strike it rich. Often, that's the reason given for the lack of serious action against fat cat executive comp plans. I know Americans *like* to think the country is the world leader for economic mobility but times have changed. The longer the US keeps believing the myth the longer the current system will remain. What jumps out in the debate in Europe is that executive salaries are comfortable but compared to the US, they are nothing. (Salaries in mainland Europe are generally lower than comparable jobs in the US as well.)
The point being raised by European economic ministers is perfectly valid, asking how business can ask for cutbacks for people at the lower end and then increase the executive pay. Whether their model is the right model or the wrong model is hard to say since they is only starting to gel as a pan-European movement. In the US, people complain, politicians schedule hearings and then nothing changes. Ever. Even the CEOs who lost billions for Wall Street are resting comfortably with cash made from the most recent mirage economy. Their companies are being propped up by taxpayer loans, begging for cash and the target of foreign acquisitions but they're doing just fine, thank you very much. Are we just wimps for accepting this?
Sitting overseas, it certainly looks like the US is a country stuck with too many old ideas that just fail to match the reality of today. We're not the competitive country we used to be but that we think we are. The US is not a country whose population enjoys discovery, regardless of the occasional NASA mission for ten people. We're no longer interested in the greater good and seemingly have no issue with increasingly two tiered society. The infamous boomer moto of the 1980s "greed is good" is not just on Wall Street, it's on Main Street. The GOP may have missed history class but we have been here before and we recovered to become better. Europe tends to dislike change but at the moment it is much further along on the issue of executive pay and others such climate change and science. We're drifting today whether people want to admit it or not. It's really time we get back to what the US does best, which is accepting and embracing change for the better. Read More......
The point being raised by European economic ministers is perfectly valid, asking how business can ask for cutbacks for people at the lower end and then increase the executive pay. Whether their model is the right model or the wrong model is hard to say since they is only starting to gel as a pan-European movement. In the US, people complain, politicians schedule hearings and then nothing changes. Ever. Even the CEOs who lost billions for Wall Street are resting comfortably with cash made from the most recent mirage economy. Their companies are being propped up by taxpayer loans, begging for cash and the target of foreign acquisitions but they're doing just fine, thank you very much. Are we just wimps for accepting this?
Sitting overseas, it certainly looks like the US is a country stuck with too many old ideas that just fail to match the reality of today. We're not the competitive country we used to be but that we think we are. The US is not a country whose population enjoys discovery, regardless of the occasional NASA mission for ten people. We're no longer interested in the greater good and seemingly have no issue with increasingly two tiered society. The infamous boomer moto of the 1980s "greed is good" is not just on Wall Street, it's on Main Street. The GOP may have missed history class but we have been here before and we recovered to become better. Europe tends to dislike change but at the moment it is much further along on the issue of executive pay and others such climate change and science. We're drifting today whether people want to admit it or not. It's really time we get back to what the US does best, which is accepting and embracing change for the better. Read More......
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