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Perry Campaign Repeats False Claim That Rick Perry Never Said Social Security Is Unconstitutional

ThinkProgress filed this report from the Republican presidential debate in Simi Valley, California.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) just doesn’t know what to do with his radical book arguing that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional. The Perry campaign has alternatively embraced the book, distanced itself from it, run away from voters asking him about it, and misrepresented what it says.

ThinkProgress’ Scott Keyes caught up with Rick Perry’s campaign manager yesterday, and learned that Team Perry is back to simply not telling the truth about what their candidate believes:

KEYES: Does the governor still think that Social Security exists at the expense of the Constitution?

PERRY SPOX: In the book he never said — he didn’t say it was unconstitutional. Is that what you’re getting at?

KEYES: Well, just that he wrote that Social Security exists at the expense of the Constitution.

PERRY SPOX: He believes Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and that we’ve got to address it. We’re starting a national conversation.

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For the record, here is the passage in Fed Up! where Rick Perry says that Social Security is unconstitutional:

There is no ambiguity in this passage. Nor is there ambiguity in a subsequent interview where Perry reiterated his belief that Social Security and Medicare violate the Constitution:

I don’t think our founding fathers when they were putting the term “general welfare” in [the Constitution] were thinking about a federally operated program of pensions nor a federally operated program of health care. What they clearly said was that those were issues that the states need to address. Not the federal government. I stand very clear on that.

Simply put, the Perry campaign needs to stop misrepresenting what their candidate believes.

Security

CHART: GOP Presidential Candidates Spend Little Time Debating Foreign Policy

The Iraq war made its way back in to the headlines this week after Fox News reported that the Obama administration has decided that the U.S. will keep only 3,000 troops in Iraq past 2011 (administration officials have denied that any decision has been made). The news reverberated when Iraq war cheerleaders then attacked President Obama for not pledging to keep more troops there (an effort that seemed to ignore what the Iraqis might want). “[The] U.S. troop presence in Iraq is last shred of justification for war boosters,” CAP’s Matt Duss observed on Twitter, “so of course they’ll fight for it.”

But despite the news this week, the Republican presidential candidates mentioned Iraq a grand total of once during last night’s debate, and the reference had nothing to do with the war itself. “We’re spending — believe it or not, this blew my mind when I read this — $20 billion a year for air conditioning in Afghanistan and Iraq in the tents over there and all the air conditioning,” Rep. Ron Paul said.

In fact, the GOP candidates spent just 9 minutes of last night’s one hour and 40 minute debate discussing foreign policy, a data point that establishes a trend in this election cycle’s Republican presidential debates:

Why are the Republicans — supposedly the party of national security — not talking about national security? A myriad of reasons, of course, one primarily being that jobs and the economy are the topics du jour. But also, it could be that Rick Perry, Mitt Romney and co. don’t really have much to criticize. Indeed both Perry and Romney praised Obama for nabbing Osama bin Laden and Michele Bachmann had an awkward moment last night when she continued to attack Obama on Libya even though Muammar Qaddafi is no longer its leader — thanks in part to Obama’s foreign policy. “If President Obama had taken the same view [as Bachmann],” debate co-moderator John Harris said, “Qaddafi would, in all likelihood, still be in power today.”

And as Washington Post columnist David Ignatius noted last weekend, Obama got elected in part because he pledged to change the course of President Bush’s disastrous foreign policy. “So what’s happened over the past 32 months?” Ignatius asks, “if you step back from the daily squawk box, some trends are clear: Alliances are stronger, the United States is (somewhat) less bogged down in foreign wars, Iran is weaker, the Arab world is less hostile and al-Qaeda is on the run.”

Economy

GOP Voted For $50 Billion To Rebuild Iraq Without Cuts, Now Insist On Cuts To Offset Funding To Rebuild America

Wildfire damage in Texas

The recent unprecedented onslaught of natural disasters has left already cash-strapped states with a record $36 billion in damages. Ten different natural disasters have struck in 2011. According to FEMA, damages from Hurricane Irene alone will cost at least $1.5 billion in disaster relief — and the hurricane season isn’t over.

This disastrous year is also the year that many Republican lawmakers have also decided to break precedent and demand that much-needed disaster relief be offset with cuts elsewhere in the federal budget.

Yesterday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) vowed to quickly usher $6 billion in emergency disaster relief for states through the Senate. However, even as wildfires obliterate more than 1,000 homes in his state, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) insisted that those funds be offset because “we can’t keep spending money we don’t have.” Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC), whose state has suffered “millions and millions of dollars” in wind and flood damage from Hurricane Irene, simply demanded that “we’ve got to offset everything“:

“We can’t keep spending money we don’t have,” said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, where deadly wildfires have charred tens of thousands of acres and destroyed more than 1,000 homes. [...]

“I think we’ve got to offset everything; anything that’s not allocated has got to be offset these days. It shouldn’t delay it,” Burr told POLITICO. “There’s hundreds of billions of dollars of waste, fraud and abuse that could be accessed like that.”

This purist principle did not stop both Cornyn and Burr for voting to fund rebuilding efforts in Iraq without a single offset. Indeed, Cornyn voted against delaying $20.3 billion in Iraq infrastructure funds even though the late Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) noted that such a payment would increase the budget deficit. Overall, the U.S. has spent $44.6 billion in taxpayer funds on rebuilding Iraq through emergency supplemental bills — and not a penny was cut from elsewhere in the budget.

Cornyn and Burr’s position — first espoused by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) — is so callously out of touch that even fellow Republicans are slamming the idea. After enduring serious bipartisan backlash, Cantor is now gun-shy. Calling Reid’s emergency funds bill “unprecedented,” he is not clearly taking a stand against it.

Economy

Wall Street Bankers Whine That They Shouldn’t Have To Pay For Their Fraud

Our guest blogger is Peter Swire, the C. William O’Neill professor of law at the Moritz College of Law of the Ohio State University and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Here’s another reason for the rest of us to get mad at Wall Street. Even where the government can prove massive fraud in the mortgage market, the finance folks are saying the suits should be dropped.

The suits were announced last Friday by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the regulator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. FHFA sued 17 major banks and a number of individuals for fraud in the issuance and sale of mortgage backed securities during the buildup of the housing bubble.

In response, a columnist for the Motley Fool has called the suits a “misguided search for vengeance” and “an unnecessary distraction.” An investment banker told Bloomberg that the government should “stop punishing banks.” The mortgage fraudsters should get away, they say, because we don’t want to shake confidence in the big banks that FHFA says committed massive mortgage fraud.

But there are so many reasons why the people who perpetrate fraud should pay for it. To pick two often voiced by conservatives, take “personal responsibility” and “property rights.”

The personal responsibility part is that individuals and companies that signed fraudulent securities filings are responsible for the fraud. That punishes fraud, and deters the next generation of Wall Street financiers when they get tempted to do it again.

The property rights part is that fraud is theft — the fraudster took money from the other party. The banks are trying to argue that Fannie and Freddie were “sophisticated purchasers” who should have known better. But even sophisticated companies can be the victims of fraud — the suits allege that the defendants had detailed facts about the bad mortgages that were simply unknown to the purchasers.

Nor should we accept the idea that the government should stop the suits and forgive all the fraudsters because the markets might otherwise lose confidence in the big banks. Fortunately, this is not the fall of 2008 when financial markets froze and even the best borrowers could not get capital. The economy is not what we want it to be, but U.S. banks have raised many tens of billions of dollars of capital and financial markets are functioning.

Where evidence exists for fraud, the suits should go forward. Charles Keating went to jail after the S&L mess. Where the facts warrant it, this generation of wrongdoers should pay as well.

Politics

Rick Perry Says It’s ‘Misinformation’ To Suggest He Wants To Abolish Social Security

Today at a campaign stop in Newport Beach, California, one attendee asked Perry for his reaction to Romney’s charge that he wants to “abolish Social Security because it’s a Ponzi scheme.” Perry responded, “I’d say that’s misinformation“:

ATTENDEE: Romney’s advisers said you want to abolish Social Security because it’s a Ponzi scheme. What do you say to that?

PERRY: I’d say that’s misinformation. We just want to fix it.

ATTENDEE: Are they distorting your record?

PERRY: (No response, shakes his head.)

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Certainly, Perry and his campaign camp are having trouble sticking to previously stated — or published — positions. But Perry only need re-read his own book “Fed Up” to recall that he views Social Security as “by far the best example” of a program “violently tossing aside any respect for our founding principles.” On MSNBC’s Morning Joe last year, Perry explicitly said of Social Security, “Why is the federal government even in the pension program or the health care delivery program? Let the states do that.” Unless his own words are a source of misinformation, it is hard to see how he isn’t advocating for the end, rather than the reform, of Social Security.

Economy

FLASHBACK: Mitt Romney Has Consistently Supported The Privatization Of Social Security

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) set aside his front-running strategy at last night’s Republican presidential debate, attacking the race’s new front-runner, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, on a variety of issues, including Perry’s repeated assertions that Social Security is a “Ponzi scheme” that won’t exist for younger Americans. In his 2009 book, Perry also questioned the constitutionality of Social Security, another issue with which Romney’s campaign took exception.

After the debate, Romney campaign adviser Stuart Stevens told reporters that Perry’s desire to “abolish Social Security” was a “disqualifying position.” But in 2007, when Romney was also campaigning for the Republican nomination for president, he supported his own radical change, repeatedly advocating for the privatization of Social Security, a plan pushed by Republicans and former President George W. Bush that failed in 2005.

At one debate, Romney was asked where he stood on privatization. Regarding Bush’s plan, Romney said, “That works“:

ROMNEY: Currently, we’re taking more money into Social Security that we actually send out. So our current seniors, their benefits are not going to change. For people 20 and 30 and 40 years old, we have four major options, for instance, for Social Security. One is the one Democrats want: raise taxes. It’s the wrong way to go.

Number two, the president said let’s have private accounts and take that surplus money that’s being gathered now in Social Security and put that into private accounts. That works.

But Romney’s support of private accounts was hardly a one-time utterance at a single debate. Throughout that campaign, he touted the plan:

June 2007: When a college student asked Romney how he, as president, planned to solidify Social Security’s future, he endorsed private accounts: “One thing that the president proposed [on Social Security] that is a good idea is to take some of that money, or all of that surplus money and allow people to have a personal account. So they can invest in things that have a higher rate of return than just government debt. They can invest in things like our stock market or the world’s stock market…so that they can get a better return, and maybe that would make up for some of the shortfall. That’s a good idea.”

October 2007: At a town hall, Romney said there were “two major paths” lawmakers could take to shore up Social Security. The first, he said, was “to raise taxes on people, which I don’t want to do. And the other is to allow some portion of people’s money that they’re now having taken out of their salaries to be invested in Social Security.” When an attendee told him his plan was “privatization,” Romney replied, “You call it privatization. I call it a private account.”

Romney did not abandon his support for privatization when his first presidential campaign ended. On page 160 of his book, No Apology, published in 2010, Romney again hinted at support for privatization:

“Individual retirement accounts offer a fourth option, one that would allow today’s wage earners to direct a portion of their Social Security tax to a private account rather than go entirely to pay the benefits of current retirees, as is the case today. [...] Owners of these individual accounts would invest in a combination of stocks and bonds and – presuming these investments paid a higher rate of return than new treasuries – the return on these investments would boost the payments to seniors. I also like the fact the individual retirement accounts would encourage more Americans to invest in the private sector that powers our economy.”

What is shocking about Romney’s embrace of private accounts in his book is that it was published after a financial crisis that would have devastated retirement accounts for millions of Americans had the push for privatization succeeded. According to a Center for American Progress analysis, an October 2008 retiree would have lost $26,000 in a private Social Security account, and that report was done before the market bottomed out in 2009. Millions of Americans who already save in some sort of private account — a 401(k), for instance — lost nearly everything in the crisis, and Social Security is the only source of retirement income they have left. Yet Romney still offered privatization as a potential “fix” for the program, acknowledging but ignoring the easiest way to make Social Security solvent for the next 75 years.

Perry’s position that Social Security is unconstitutional is without a doubt, as veteran GOP strategist Karl Rove put it, “toxic.” But the argument Romney’s campaign has pushed is that by taking a position Americans don’t support, Perry is unelectable and incapable of beating President Obama in a general election. That stance, however, ignores Romney’s own support for a radical position that has been repeatedly proposed by Republicans and subsequently rejected by the American people.

Politics

VIDEO: Rick Perry Vs. Ronald Reagan On Social Security

Since his recent entry into the race for the GOP presidential nomination, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has shot to the top of the field of contenders. The latest polling places him with 29 percent of the likely Republican vote, six points ahead of runner-up Mitt Romney.

Last night, during MSNBC’s Republican debate at the Reagan Library, Perry returned to one of his now-familiar talking points, denouncing Social Security as “a monstrous lie” and “a Ponzi scheme.” But as this ThinkProgress video report shows, Perry’s hostile position on Social Security places him out of step with the mainstream of the country — and with the conservative icon after which the Reagan Library is named.

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Justice

Despite 41 DNA Exonerations In Texas In Last 9 Years, Perry Says He Never Loses Sleep Over Executing The Innocent

Perry has overseen 235 executions as governor.

At last night’s GOP presidential debate in California, front runner Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) defended his record of overseeing 235 executions in Texas, the most of any modern governor by far and nearly half of those conducted in the state since the death penalty went into effect in 1976.

Perry insisted that he’s never lost sleep at night worrying that any one of them might have been innocent. “I’ve never struggled with that at all,” Perry said.

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That’s despite the fact that during Perry’s tenure as governor, DNA evidence has exonerated at least 41 people convicted in Texas, Scott Horton writes in Harper’s. According to the Innocence Project, “more people have been freed through DNA testing in Texas than in any other state in the country, and these exonerations have revealed deep flaws in the state’s criminal justice system.” Some 85 percent of wrongful convictions in Texas, or 35 of the 41 cases, are due to mistaken eyewitness identifications.

Those exonerations include Cornelius Dupree, who had already spent 30 years in prison for rape, robbery, and abduction when DNA evidence proved unequivocally that he was not the man who had committed those crime. Tim Cole, the brother of Texas Sen. Rodney Ellis (D), was posthumously pardoned a decade after he died in prison when DNA evidence proved his innocence. The total failure of the Texas courts to protect these innocent individuals reveal a system plagued by racial injustices, procedural flaws, and a clemency review process that’s nothing but a rubber stamp on executions.

Leading the country in wrongful convictions probably should give Perry a moment’s pause about the reliability of a criminal justice process he described last night as “thoughtful.” Perry has allowed the execution of juveniles, the mentally disabled, and people who have had such inadequate counsel that their court-appointed lawyers literally slept through their trials. Additionally, Perry has overseen the executions of seven foreign nationals and two men who were accomplices but did not actually commit murder.

And he may well have already executed an innocent man. The case of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed in 2004 for the arson deaths of his three daughters and maintained his innocence until his dying day, will likely continue to haunt Perry throughout the campaign. Several scientists and forensics experts have questioned the evidence that led to Willingham’s conviction, but Perry “squashed” an official probe into his execution.

Politics

Ron Paul To Fox Ambush Reporter Jesse Watters: Bill O’Reilly Doesn’t Understand Journalism Or Economics

O'Reilly and Paul's last on air debate, in 2001

Following the well-worn conservative playbook, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has been accusing the media of unfairly ignoring his presidential bid, even while refusing to appear on the most-watched cable news show in America — Fox’s The O’Reilly Factor. “They [the media] believe this guy is dangerous to the status quo,” Paul told Politico of himself after his second place finish in the Ames Straw Poll. “I had one interview scheduled for this morning, a national program, but they canceled.”

O’Reilly has feuded in the past with Paul, who holds some views O’Reilly considers “too radical” and “insane,” but the Fox host invited Paul on his show in August because, he said, “We don’t want anybody to be ignored!” Paul never accepted the invitation, so O’Reilly this week sent his notorious ambush producer Jesse Waters — whose hostile tactics are usually reserved for liberals and other perceived enemies of the Factor — to confront Paul.

When Waters caught up with Paul, the candidate claimed he “never remembered getting a precise invitation” from O’Reilly, but took the opportunity to shoot back at the Factor host. “He isn’t exactly a journalist, if he had been more journalistic I might have considered it,” Paul said of the invitation. Asked about his love of gold, Paul said, “Bill has a little problem with economic understanding.” “He doesn’t quite pronounce the words quite correctly, and he admits it, that he doesn’t know much about it,” he added. Watch it:

Back in the studio, Watters and O’Reilly mocked Paul and agreed that the congressman is “misreading” the Constitution with his gold-buggery.

Economy

Widow Alleges Bank Of America Called Her 48 Times A Day To Remind Her Of Dead Husband’s Debt

Deborah Crabtree, of Honolulu, Hawaii tragically lost her husband to cancer on Aug. 3. The bank to which he owed money, Bank of America, didn’t even wait for a day after his death to begin calling Crabtree to remind her that her husband had missed a $3,000 mortgage payment on their home.

Crabtree told Bank of America that she had $5,000 on hand, and that she needed this money to buy food and bury her husband. Convinced that Crabtree should be using this money to pay them, Bank of America repeatedly “robo-called” Crabtree during her husband’s wake, sometimes with only 15 minutes between each call.

Now, Crabtree is suing the bank, alleging that it called her up to 48 times a day, even repeatedly demanding evidence that her husband was dead, and once receiving it, losing it. Crabtree’s complaint cites the emotional distress and mental anguish caused by Bank of America’s behavior.

The local NBC news affiliate covered Crabtree’s case. After reaching out to Bank of America, the station says that it did eventually cease the calls after learning of Mr. Crabtree’s death. Watch it:

Earlier this month, CNNMoney published a piece on banks and other financial entities seeking debts of the deceased from mourners. It notes that under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, there are prohibitions against “third-party debt collectors…collecting debts at ‘inconvenient times’ and harassing customers.” However, this law only applies to “third-party debt collectors, not the banks — which are regulated by individual states.”

NEWS FLASH

Vitter Grudgingly Says He Will Miss A Football Game To Vote, Still Unclear If He Will Attend Obama’s Speech | Yesterday, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) announced he would be skipping President Obama’s jobs speech tonight so that he can watch a football game. This morning, Vitter seemed to back away from his pigskin entertainment, posting on his Facebook wall that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) had scheduled votes this evening before and after Obama’s speech. “Typical Harry Reid,” Vitter wrote, “now I’ll miss my own Saints game party at home.” View a screenshot below (click to enlarge):

ThinkProgress contacted Vitter’s office to ask if the senator will be attending the speech, but has not received a response. A staffer answering the phone said he did not know.

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Economy

Hunger Rate Spikes In Rick Perry’s Texas, Even As National Rate Holds Steady

A new report by the U.S. Department of Agriculture shows that household hunger remained steady from 2009 to 2010, even though almost 49 million people — a near record number — were affected by food insecurity. Some states even saw their hunger rates decline.

But one glaring exception was the state of Texas, which has been hailed by Gov. Rick Perry (R) as a model for the rest of the nation during these tough economic times:

Built on a measure called “food insecurity,” the study was based on a survey of 45,000 households during the 2010 census, and found 14.5 percent of households had difficulty meeting their food needs — a statistic that was “essentially unchanged” from 2009, according to the agency. Last year saw a decline in the proportion of households with “severe” food insecurity across the country, too.

In Texas, however, the three-year average food insecurity rate did increase, from 17.4 percent in 2007-2009 to the current rate of 18.8 percent in 2008-2010, according to the Austin-based Center for Public Policy Priorities.

Mississippi is the only state with a worse food insecurity rate than Texas. The number of people on food stamps in Texas rose 2.8 percent between 2009 and 2010, and is now a staggering 15.6 percent of the state’s population. The increase was one of the highest in the nation.

Federal officials credit an increase in government food aid for keeping national hunger rates steady. Programs like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) have grown to meet increased demand during the recession. However, U.S. Agriculture Undersecretary Kevin Concannon notes that Texas hasn’t done as well as other large states like Florida that were hit much harder by the downturn, in part because Texas’ food stamp eligibility determination program has been a mess, “with a backlog of nearly 60,000 unprocessed applications after ‘a very inefficient and ineffective privatization scheme.’”

Ironically, Perry has recently been highly critical of the very food stamp program that would have helped his state’s poorest residents get enough to eat. At a campaign stop last month, Perry called the size of the food stamp program a “testament to widespread misery” — instead of an essential aid that’s keeping Texan families alive.

Austin Food Bank’s John Turner says it’s no coincidence that Texas and Mississippi also lead the country in low-wage jobs. For many hard-working Texans, minimum wage jobs just don’t pay enough to stave off hunger. “The vast majority of the 48,000 central Texans this food bank serves every week are employed, hard-working men and women who are just not earning a living wage,” he writes.

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NEWS FLASH

BREAKING: Fourth Circuit Majority Votes To Uphold The Affordable Care Act | The Fourth Circuit just handed down two opinions ordering that Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s challenge to the Affordable Care Act, along with another challenge to brought by Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, must be dismissed on jurisdictional grounds. However, Judge Davis dissented from the Liberty University opinion to say that he would reach the merits and uphold the law, and Judge Wynn wrote a separate opinion saying that the law should be upheld as a valid exercise of the Taxing Power. Accordingly a majority of the court voted to uphold the law and today’s opinion should be read as a victory for the Affordable Care Act on the merits.

Health

Perry: We Wouldn’t Have As Many Uninsured In Texas ‘If You Didn’t Have The Federal Government’

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) blamed the federal government for his state’s high uninsurance rate during last night’s presidential debate at the Ronald Reagan library, arguing that the Department of Health and Human Services has refused to grant Medicaid flexibility to the state:

HARRIS: Governor, quick follow-up. Why are so many people in Texas uninsured?

PERRY: Well, bottom line is that we would not have that many people uninsured in the state of Texas if you didn’t have the federal government. We’ve had requests in for years at the Health and Human Services agencies to have that type of flexibility where we could have menus, where we could have co-pays, and the federal government refuses to give us that flexibility.

We know for a fact that, given that freedom, the states can do a better job of delivering health care. And you’ll see substantially more people not just in Texas, but all across the country have access to better health care.

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As much as Perry would like to shift the blame for his state’s high uninsurance rate — in fact, the number of uninsured has increased by approximately 2 million during his 11-year tenure — 26 percent of Texans don’t have access to health care coverage for four simple reasons: 1) many Texas jobs are low wage and don’t offer insurance, 2) Texas has some of the most restrictive Medicaid eligibility rules in the country, 3) insurance rates are largely unregulated (and are higher than the national average) and 4) the state has a large immigrant population that often can’t enroll because of legal concerns or other impediments. Perry himself hasn’t focused on the health care access problem during his governorship, despite advocating for significant reductions in the Medicaid program — including an 8 percent cut in reimbursement rates to hospitals in the latest state budget.

His requests for Medicaid “flexibility” from the federal government are unremarkable. As the Washington Post’s Sarah Kliff points out, aside from a failed 2008 waiver request to “limit the number of beneficiaries and create a new, very sparse benefits plan” — which was too restrictive even for the Bush administration — Perry doesn’t have much to show for his 11 years in office. Perry has failed to implement the policies he has espoused on the national stage (like “state innovation” in health care) and his health care record suggests that outside of some general conservative notions of limiting the reach of the Medicaid program to the very poor and reforming medical liability, he hasn’t emphasized health policy or even bothered to experiment with conservative solutions to expanding coverage and lowering costs. All that as his state is suffering from some of the highest uninsurance rates in the nation. Now what does that tell you about his priorities?

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Politics

Michigan Protestors Against Hate Pastor Terry Jones Were Told By Police To Keep Their Voices Down

Photo credit: Lansing State Journal

Yesterday, hate pastor Terry Jones — who made a name for himself by burning the Quran — delivered a speech at the state capitol in Lansing, Michigan about “the destructive force of Islam.” According to one count, “there were four Jones supporters…, at least double that number of counter-protestors, 18 state police officers and at least 20 media members.” As Jones began speaking, protesters began chanting “Say no to hate.”

But the protesters said they were soon told by the state police to keep their voices down during Jones’ speech, or they would be arrested. One protester called it “ridiculous.” “We’re on a state capitol. This is owned by the people,” he said. “And we have a right to make our voice heard just as much as he does.” (Ironically, Jones complained in an interview that his critics are “trying to silence us.”) Watch it:

Jones’ hate provocation tour will travel through New York City’s Time Square on 9/11. Early indications are that Jones is attracting far more opponents than supporters. The Lansing State Journal reports, “It was those who wanted nothing to do with Jones who drew a crowd.” In addition to the protesters at the Lansing capitol, a separate interfaith event at a Greek Orthodox Church drew more than 100 people.

Rabbi Michael Zimmerman sarcastically thanked Jones for coming to Michigan, saying, “We [have] learned, paradoxically, that we need the hatemongers, the rabble rousers, the unwelcome and repugnant attention grabbers, because it is they who force us to remember and affirm who we are and who we are not.”

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