File this one under "You knew it was happening, but it's still shocking to see them admit it": Gas and oil companies are hiring military psy-op specialists to persuade the public to take on a fracking-friendly attitude:
In the following recording, given to CNBC, one presenter tells the crowd to download a copy of the Army's counterinsurgency manual. "Because," he said, the movement opposing the industry is an "insurgency."
In this next recording (also given to CNBC) the speaker tells listeners that his organization maintains several military veterans who served as psychological warfare specialists. These former "psy ops" soldiers, he explains, are using their skills in Pennsylvania.
In his forum called “Designing a Media Relations Strategy To Overcome Concerns Surrounding Hydraulic Fracturing,” Range Resources communications director Matt Pitzarella explains how to "overcome stakeholder concerns" surrounding fracking.
“We have several former psy ops folks that work for us at Range because they’re very comfortable in dealing with localized issues and local governments,” Pitzarella said. “Really all they do is spend most of their time helping folks develop local ordinances and things like that. But very much having that understanding of psy ops in the Army and in the Middle East has applied very helpfully here for us in Pennsylvania.”
It was during Anadarko Petroleum's manager of external affairs, Matt Carmichael's, session on “Understanding How Unconventional Oil & Gas Operators are Developing a Comprehensive Media Relations Strategy to Engage Stakeholders and Educate the Public" that he suggested his colleagues:
“Download the U.S. Army-slash-Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Manual, because we are dealing with an insurgency,” Carmichael said. “There’s a lot of good lessons in there and coming from a military background, I found the insight in that extremely remarkable.”
The paranoia of these people...! Anyone who disagrees is labeled an "insurgent." Anyone doesn't want to do what a corporation demands is labeled an "insurgent."
Y'know what that kind of attitude may one day create? A real insurgency. God forbid -- still, sometimes I think that these right-wing corporatist maniacs won't be happy until there's actual civil war in this country.
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"...sometimes I think that these right-wing corporatist maniacs won't be happy until there's actual civil war in this country."
BINGO!!!
Give the man a cigar!
You, Joseph, have brilliantly solved the mystery of why all the FEMA camps are standing empty and ready, why the giant new NSA snooping archive is being built in Texas, why Homeland Security is practicing "papers please" checkpoints for all modes of public and private transportation, why the 'Net-Kill switch is urgently needed, why facial-recognition/security/red-light cameras (with listening technology) are sprouting at every busy intersection, why Facebook was intel-funded, and why Alex and all the lesser Joneses have clear sailing (on the high seas of the "alternative media") to daily stoke the populist fires of paranoia and resentment with inflamatory half-truths and urban legends -- urging the ever-more alienated (and impoverished) rabble to "TAKE AMERICA BACK!!!"
posted by Anonymous : 9:07 PM
This is insane. Sign the online petition and let Range's higher-ups know this won't be tolerated!
Fortunately, my life should soon get back to normal, and I will resume my usual posting schedule. In the meantime, I thought I would bring to your attention a passage from Bill Clinton's new book Back to Work, which is, on the whole, one the more sensible volumes you are likely to see this year. Some of my readers will not forgive his soft attitude toward the Obama administration, but, to me, that part is understandable. (And I refuse to make opposition to Obama the polar star of my existence, as some of my readers do.)
I've seen the following passage discussed in various web forums, but always in garbled form. In the original, Clinton is as clear as a bell.
Clinton discusses Glass-Steagall here. Oddly, he doesn't mention that the reform bill passed by a veto-proof majority, or that the original version threatened CRA. The text after the asterisks is his...
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I made some mistakes too, though not the ones I’ve been most widely criticized for: aggressively enforcing the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and signing the bill repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, the Depression-era law requiring commercial and investment banking to be done by separate institutions.
Conservatives blame the CRA, which requires banks to make loans in the communities from which they take deposits, for forcing banks to make risky mortgage loans they wouldn’t have made otherwise. It’s true that my administration vigorously enforced the CRA requirement and that by the time I left office, more than 95 percent of the CRA loans made since the law was passed in the 1970s, more than $800 billion worth, had been made in the eight years I served. Of course, not all the CRA loans were for mortgages. Some were small-business loans, which are in short supply again today. And making mortgages available to people in the community didn’t cause the meltdown. One study found that CRA–compliant banks were actually less likely to fail during the financial crisis than banks that shipped more of their deposits out of the community in hopes of getting higher returns elsewhere.
Many progressives believe the mortgage crisis was hastened and enlarged by the end of the division between commercial and investment banks. I’ve seen this argument in print dozens of times without supporting examples, as if it were self-evident. It isn’t. Many purely commercial banks made bad mortgage loans and failed. The first bailouts went to an insurance comp any, AIG, and Bear Stearns, an investment bank with no commercial operations.
By the time Glass-Steagall was repealed, Federal Reserve rulings, beginning in the late 1980s, had already eliminated restraints on big banks’ ability to engage in both commercial and investment banking activities, except for restrictions on underwriting insurance. The real problem was that both before and after I signed the bill, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), which oversees investment banks, lacked the authority to require them to set aside more cash to cover high-risk investments (though there were other steps a vigorous SEC commissioner could have taken to reduce the risks of a crash), and the bank regulators didn’t do enough to limit commercial banks’ risky loans.
At any rate, now federal regulators do have the authority to limit leverage under the financial reform bill, and two big investment banks, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, have decided to become bank holding companies, and therefore subject to cash reserve requirements.
The best argument against repealing Glass-Steagall is that it may have accelerated the speed of bank consolidations, which were already well under way, encouraging banks to get bigger, faster. Some believe that big banks are less inclined to make small-business loans than community banks.
I do think I can be fairly criticized for not making a bigger public issue out of the need to regulate financial derivatives. I couldn’t have done anything about it, because the Republican Congress was hostile to all regulations, going so far as to threaten to leave the SEC with no budget because the commissioner, Arthur Levitt, was vigilant in doing his job. But I should have spoken out more, especially after Congress included a measure barring financial derivatives from being regulated as securities or commodities in an appropriations bill that passed by a veto-proof majority. In not doing so, I ignored one of my own rules: even when you can’t win, it’s best to get caught trying.
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I'm happy to see that Bill Clinton addresses the Glass-Steagall attack. I've been making the same arguments about the lack of evidence that the repeal of Glass-Steagall was responsible for the financial crisis. I will also argue that the reason we had a financial crisis was almost all due to the Fed and the SEC looking the other way while fraud was being committed by the bankers. The laws have always been there to stop fraud, but the government, and particularly the Fed decided not to do anything about it. The whole thing has been swept under the rug and nobody went to jail. Fraud charges against Mozilo of Countrywide and GS were settled with fines of a few millions. Move along, nothing to see here. DM
posted by Anonymous : 1:24 PM
Glass-Steagall was not a significant factor. Lehman, Bear Sterns were not commercial banks. IndyMac and Washington Mutual were not investment banks. Countrywide, AIG, Fannie, Freddie weren't banks of any kind.
posted by M.jed : 8:25 AM
My understanding of the thing is the WTO wanted it repealed. Does Clinton say anything about it?
"... even when you can’t win, it’s best to get caught trying."
This is my biggest complaint against TehLightbringer. He's such a spineless wimp (or corporate whore - take your pick) that he never tried to pass anything that would even slightly perturb the Republicans.
It's also why he'll win or lose without my vote.
posted by Penelope Pennebaker : 11:39 AM
There is a cheat here. The cheat is separately discussing Glass Steagall and the overall body of all bank and investment bank regulation. The breaking down of rules enacted in the 30s opened up the financial sector to greater risk taking. Clinton is right. GS on its own was not a necessary or a sufficient condition for the crisis to take place. But removing all the depression error regulation was a necessary condition, and I would argue would eventually prove a sufficient condition.
It was not Clinton's fault but partnerships tend to be more careful with their capital than joint stocks.
It's almost too bad. If this guy were the nominee, I'd have no problem voting for him. He would be the end the Republican party. My god, he really does make Dubya look brilliant.
Perry wants to get rid of the Education department. He may have something there. If you want proof positive that the educational system in this country has utterly failed, you need only take a look at...guess who! ADDED NOTE (From the "credit where due" dept.): A Salon commenter had this to say about Perry's debate performance.
I'll bet Perry wishes he had Rove whispering in his ear now.
Yeah, what was the deal with the magic box? That feels like one of those stories that someone should leak in about 30 years after everyone is dead. "Oh yeah we had Karen Hughes on the other end but she was too annoying so we had Rove on in later debates. I can't believe we got away with it. The only publication that ran the story was some low end liberal blog, I think it's name was Saloon or Salad or something. Man, they had the story of the decade, but nobody believed them. Ha! Too late now!"
The reference goes back to the tale of the "Bush bulge," the 2004 story that pretty much made this blog. For weeks, Cannonfire (previously an unknown site) received massive amounts of pageloads each day. (The stats are down to a far more manageable level now.)
But the story of "Promptergate," as I called it, began right here -- actually, with my ladyfriend, who asked "What's that thing on Bush's back?" while we were watching a rebroadcast of the first Bush-Kerry debate.
A couple of days after I wrote that first piece, I was contacted by Farhad Manjoo of Salon, who wrote an article that (if I recall correctly) did not really include much information beyond the details and speculations that had appeared here.
I never took the bulge story all that seriously. Nevertheless, I wrote about it in minute detail because...well, because it was fun, dammit, and the audience seemed to groove on what I was handing them.
I presume that there is nothing on Perry's back but copious amounts of simian hair. And if you carefully examine his ear canal, all you'll see is that tiny hint of daylight peeping through from the other side.
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He was being prompted that day, repeating back three words at a time, breaking in mid-phrase.
i was unable to get the footage from even my local station to replay. By time people spotted the bulge, it was indisputable. Hahaha, I guess he couldn't handle reading off a teleprompter. But he should've had neither during a debate.
btw, Uh-uh-uh-bama does that same odd-phrase breaking as he bobble-heads between teleprompters. Eloquent my left foot.
Wasn't Perry toast before? Never underestimate the thought process of the republican primary voter.
Remember that Bush the Lesser left office with an approval in the high twenties.
posted by Mr. Mike : 10:01 AM
Do Democrats ever run people who are such transparent morons? It seems that every Republican field is full of them and they often win.
posted by Eric : 1:11 PM
I am a friendly acquaintance of Oliver Stone, and shortly before the 2004 election I told him about the transmitter that what's-his-name had been wearing. Even an alternative-news magpie like Stone hadn't heard about it.
A professor in California, I believe at Caltech, had analyzed the photos and sent his findings to the New York Times and Washington Post, both of which called it interesting but refused to run it.
Since the 2000 election theft (if not the Lewinsky affair), the "mainstream media" has served the wealthy and utterly failed in its most basic mission to expose the criminality that affects the greatest number of people. They shrugged off two stolen elections, two fraudulent wars and the most massive financial flim-flam in the history of humankind. And I say that was someone who works for one of America's largest newspapers. If journalism wants to save itself, it has to re-prioritze. Herman Cain's johnson is not a bigger story than the Republican Party's Koch habit.
posted by Trojan Joe : 3:42 PM
Thinking back to that debate, I remember how the Bushies counterattacked because John Kerry brought a pen and note pad to his dais. Bush also blurted out something that could have been construed as telling his handler he was going too fast with the talking points. We don't have a free press as the founding fathers envisioned, they are very expensive. Corporate America has bought their souls.
posted by Mr. Mike : 6:10 AM
I don't think Perry is dead at all. The people who vote for Republican candidates really do appreciate them some dumb SOB's. I tend to think this might actually make some "Republican's" like him even more. They'll think he is a good old boy and one of them. Hell, they still don't get that Bush the Nitwit isn't a good old boy from the sticks.
Ron Paul accuses Elizabeth Warren of being a socialist. I've never once seen Warren advocate direct government control of the means of production. Apparently, the word "socialist" means something different in Paul-speak.
"Socialism means failure and socialism kills a growing economy. ... Because socialism is a principle that I will reject, and I will work to eradicate socialism all across the United States government. Unfortunately for too many Republicans, they also aspire to be frugal socialists. ... We can't preserve liberty if the choice a year from now is between a frugal socialist and an out-of-control socialist."
Is anyone still frightened by this bogeyman?
Through overuse, the word "socialist" no longer has any meaning, at least not in American political discourse. It's simply a term for anything you don't like. If the dog soils your carpet, you can yell "Bad dog!" or you can yell "Socialist dog!" Same thing.
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The word 'socialism' has meaning to me. It means a society without exploitation, where the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
You can also say that a socialist is someone who asks the social question (why is there such pauperism when industrial production is so advanced?), and who follows it through properly.
USSR etc. - just capitalist. Wage-labour etc.
You have to draw the line somewhere with regard to what words to fight over.
posted by b : 5:10 PM
I said AMERICAN political discourse, b.
Nobody ever claimed that American political discourse was particularly rational.
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posted by Anonymous : 10:01 PM
Through extensive abuse in 2008, the R-word has joined the S-word in the Lexicon of Meaningless American Political Insults.
Here in France the S-word is slowly being drained of meaning, but that's because of wishy-washy neoliberal policies of the PS.
posted by Ugsome : 12:43 AM
That some of us are willing to spend more and get less out of our health care dollar instead of being labeled Socialist speaks volumes on our level of rationality.
I'm still too busy with personal affairs to offer a proper blog post. But I'd like to offer some rambling thoughts about the intersection of religion and politics.
Just now, Reuters carried a story about some catty remarks made by Barack Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy -- ad libbed, and apparently spoken without the knowledge that a nearby microphone was "hot" -- about Binjamin Netanyahu:
As the two leaders discussion turns to Israel and the Palestinians, Sarkozy is first to express his distaste for the conservative Israeli Prime Minister.
"I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," the French president was heard to say.
In response, according to the account by Arret Sur Images, Mr. Obama sympathizes with Sarkozy's frustration, saying, "you're fed up, but I have to deal with him every day."
Obviously, this will do a great deal of harm to Obama, who will no doubt be forced to scrape and bow and perform astounding feats of acrobatic apologetics. The right wing -- and many Jews, right and left -- will probably profess to be appalled at the President's "anti-Semitism" -- even though neither he nor Sarkozy said one anti-Semitic word.
During the Camp David discussions between Jimmy Carter, Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, it became very clear that Carter disliked Begin on a personal level. As I recall, one of the major news magazines -- Time or Newsweek, I forget which -- said so directly. Yet nobody scored Carter for "anti-Semitism"; nobody presumed that he was anything but an honest broker in the peace negotiations.
Frankly, Begin didn't make a good impression on most Americans: He was rude and arrogant and easy to dislike. He had also been a terrorist -- a fact often acknowledged freely in newspaper editorials in the 1970s. You can't mention that history nowadays without being called an anti-Semite.
What a change has occurred since then. Israel is now beyond criticism. It was acceptable for a president to dislike Begin three decades ago, but Obama's mild expression of exasperation toward Netanyahu will be probably give rise to all sorts of hysteria and paranoia.
Parallels. I'm reading a book called Paris, Capital of Modernity by David Harvey, a leftish retelling of the various recurrent rebellions that beset that city throughout the 19th century, and of the conditions that gave rise to those rebellions. Much of that book has a bearing on the OWS movement.
Religion was the key factor in that history.
Between 1789 and 1871, the Parisian rebels were often led by men who detested religion. Whenever they got the chance, they would shoot archbishops or guillotine nuns or commit some similar outrage. This anti-religious frenzy had the very predictable effect of turning the rural areas of France against the "reds" of Paris; peasants and workers acted against their own interests, aligning themselves with royalists in order to defend their faith. Whenever the rebels tried to do injury to the Church, the Church became stronger. Reactionary, paranoid, and strong.
A very similar series of events took place during the Spanish Civil War. Anticlerical anarchists, fueled by their inchoate hatred of all religion, committed supremely foolish acts, such as digging up dead nuns and displaying their skeletons for the movie cameras. That footage became a potent recruiting tool for Franco.
Today, in America, the Southern Baptists and evangelicals hold enormous power. Fundamentalist Protestantism is the single most important force which drives so many working class Americans to act against their interests. As a result, we have a "new atheism" movement -- which, of course, is only going to strengthen the fundamentalists.
Not let's bring it all back to Obama and Netanyahu.
I am convinced that peace in the middle east is possible. The most direct route to peace would require the American president to take a stern stance toward Israel: "We're not asking you to do this; we're telling you." Alas, no president would dare to adopt such an attitude, because the result would be a political typhoon on the domestic front.
Don't blame American Jews; the problem rests entirely with Christian Zionism.
Today, as in the 19th century, the greatest obstacle to political progress is religion -- not all religion, but religion in its most reactionary, most paranoid forms. Yet if you confront the religious right directly, you'll only make it stronger. Opposition will be seen as confirmation of their fears.
If it were possible to ignore them, that would be the best defense. Of course, that would also require that they were a minority, and a small one. I think they are still not the majority (I hope), but they are a large enough block that ignoring them won't work. The problem with religion in general is that you can't appeal to reason, because most people throw that away to become believers in the first place (not everyone, but most......I think reason and belief ARE compatible, but I think for most people they throw one or the other away).
As to the comments of Obama and Sarkozy, I have no doubt Sarkozy is right. I also have no doubt that the calls of antisemitism will be swift and thick. However, there is a certain irony in these two world leaders accusing another of being a liar. Pot, meet Kettle.
posted by Gus : 6:42 AM
It's up with the Israelis to deal with him...and they are rising up. They actually "occupied" Tel Aviv in July...way before our own tent cities sprang up, and Jews and Arabs alike discussed social justice, and marched on Tel Aviv to the tune of half a million marchers. They're re-occupying Tel Aviv now. Hopefully they are headed for a more progressive future, as we're all striving for.
What you won't like is that they say remaining leaderless is key for these movements. :) Because then there is no "head" that would be easy to cut off.
Absurd to equate disliking Bibi with anti-semitism. If thats the criteria then a good 35% of Israel (at least) could be classified as anti-Semitic.
My cousin is about as pro-Israeli as a Jew can be. However even he think the wrong Netanyaho became a politician. The other was a great thinking and great soldier. But he died at Entebbe.
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 8:09 AM
Obama complained to Sarko the Sayan about having to deal with Netanyahu "every day". The western media will focus on his 'nasty attitude', not on how or why a US President has to deal with Netanyahu every day.
I've been comparing this with the 1970s too.
According to Kissinger, Nixon told him he'd given the order to reverse US policy on the Middle East. From then on, the US would support the Arab powers and oppose Israel, and the policy would not be reversible by future presidents. That's what Kissinger says Nixon told him. No kidding.
(I read it in a newspaper serialisation of a book by Kissinger many years ago. I couldn't find anything about it on the internet. I think this account must be in Kissinger's 'Years of Upheaval' book.)
Oh, and 2 days later, Nixon resigned.
From then on, no US president would fucking dare take such an attitude!!
Sarko the Sayan probably deliberately led him on.
This story will ratchet up the fierce 'belief' among US Zionist Jews that Obama is a wicked wicked man just looking for a chance to stab them in the back. Sending in the US airforce to carry out an attack - possibly a nuclear attack - on Iran wouldn't be enough. Occupying Iran wouldn't be enough. NOTHING would be enough for these nutcases! Obama is clearly Hitler reborn.
If anyone has got a copy of Kissinger's book on their shelves, or knows the reference, I'd appreciate it if they could post chapter and verse for the 'Nixon said he'd reversed US Middle-East policy' story.
posted by b : 8:20 AM
You must understand, the American "religious right" is not actually Right, which represents Tradition.
The American "religious right" is an apocalyptic heresy called "dispensational premillenialism" aka Christian Zionism, which eschatology was only developed in the late 1800s and as such is theological modernism.
It is self-destructive, materialistic-capitalist, soteriologically lacking, and as such is a sign of decadence of what is left of Western religion in the US.
Not far off, when Israel is transformed into a democracy devoid of rabbinical law (the One State Solution) millions of these American heretics will lose faith immediately, recognizing Christ has no intention of appearing on a white horse and leading a mass of newly converted Jews to military victory against Islam, Russia, China etc.
posted by Ken Hoop : 11:37 AM
I think our relationship with israel is more intertwined with our relationship with oil than really with religion. We like having a deeply western aliened nation, one beholden to us (and the Brits) for it's very existence, right smack dab in the middle of all that oil.
The Isrealis, of course, have run an excellent propaganda campaign that's visible only by looking back at decades of infinitesimal shifts in public opinion. It better be successful; they know their existence depends upon it. You might call it their "Jews! almost as good as Christians!" campaign.
One of the delicious parts of the book "Lolita" is Nabokov's subtle skewering of American anti-semitism of the 1950s.
posted by lastlemming : 11:59 AM
Obie will turn this opportunity or engineered event ( take your choice) to his advantage. What's more disturbing is labeling militant Zionism with Judaism as if both were religions. Hitlerism vs Natzism lived side by side from 33-45 - being mere political state ideologies. Modern Judaism's got this going for it: Disturbing outcome if history repeats or even rhymes.
Don't blame American Jews; the problem rests entirely with Christian Zionism.
Unless you can point to a Charles Percy taken out by Christian Zionist primary money, I must disagree.
"dispensational premillenialism"
Exactly right. Now, look back into who funded Scofield's 'Reference Bible' that created that heresy, as the beginning of wisdom.
XI
posted by Anonymous : 5:21 PM
Organized religion is Satan's greatest invention. All organized religions - your's included (if you have one).
posted by Penelope Pennebaker : 8:23 PM
I don't know how true this is but it's interesting. This from Joseph Massad quoting Benjamin Netanyahu:
"In my office in Jerusalem, there's a ... an ancient seal. It's a signet ring of a Jewish official from the time of the Bible. The seal was found right next to the Western Wall, and it dates back 2,700 years, to the time of King Hezekiah. Now, there's a name of the Jewish official inscribed on the ring in Hebrew. His name was Netanyahu. That's my last name ..."
"... My first name, Benjamin, dates back a thousand years earlier to Benjamin - Binyamin - the son of Jacob, who was also known as Israel. Jacob and his 12 sons roamed these same hills of Judea and Samaria 4,000 years ago, and there's been a continuous Jewish presence in the land ever since."
Massad goes on...
"Indeed Netanyahu's father Benzion Mileikowsky was the son of Polish Jews converted to Zionism, who named their son Benzion based on their ideological commitments and changed their name to "Netanyahu" after they immigrated to colonise Palestine in 1920.
The names of Benzion's father and mother (and Benjamin Netanyahu's grandparents) were Nathan Mileikowsky and Sarah Lurie, common European Jewish pre-Zionist names.
For Benjamin Mileikowsky (Netanyahu), a descendant of Polish Jewish colonists, to claim ancient Jerusalem as his ancestral origin, would be seen as a curious ideological and mythical fabrication during a dinner conversation, but to assert it as a fact-based political and territorial claim to the land of the Palestinians at the United Nations, makes a mockery of international law, which is the basis of UN resolutions that condemn Israel's occupation and colonisation of the city."
Is this true? Does Netanyahu's Jewish lineage go back a mere three generations?
posted by wxyz : 11:56 PM
"Is this true? Does Netanyahu's Jewish lineage go back a mere three generations?"
No no, you misunderstand. It was common for new immigrant Israelis to abandon their polish names - they were considered slave or serf names. They would then select something more "Israeli". My father did they same thing. A polish surname morphed into a Hebrew name.
So Netanyahu is of Polish Jewish decent like many Israelis. He has no evidence of decent from the Netanyahu associated with his ring. But his family remains jewish - albeit of polish descent.
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 11:33 AM
Thanks Harry, I take your point. I misunderstood, and the phrase "Benzion Mileikowsky was the son of Polish Jews converted to Zionism" implies that the family were practicing Jews for a long time back. But I still think two of Massad's ideas remain valid:
(1) It is a lie by Netanyahu to claim that his adopted name has a direct genealogical lineage back to biblical times and it is an affront to decency and honesty to lay claim to territory on that basis. By the same reasoning I could be a German with a Hindi faith, Wolfgang Schmidt, believe that I have Aryan roots, change my name to Vikram Ananad, invade and occupy India and declare myself entitled to be there -- or, I could be a German Muslim convert and declare an antitlement to reside in Saudi Arabia.
(2) It is my understanding (and I'm prepared to be corrected on this if I'm wrong) that very few of European Jews are descended from a post-Masada diaspora. I've been told that many Europeans over the centuries converted to Judaism. In what sense then can such religious conversions form the basis of a claim to territory in the Middle East? How do we know Netanyahu's European forbears did not convert to Judaism?
Just asking.
posted by wxyz : 2:45 PM
Don't blame American Jews; the problem rests entirely with Christian Zionism.
Totally insane. I'm not defending Christian Zionism, but fundamentalist Protestants are mostly just a bunch of powerless idiots who believe what they see/hear from the Republican Party/Fox News/talk radio/End Times preacher bullshit machine, which is mostly Zionist controlled. AIPAC is full of American Jews, and Jews donate over 50% of campaign money to both parties. These are the people leading the effort to tikkun Iran's olam, not the Christians.
posted by Anonymous : 6:36 PM
wxyz
On point 1) I totally agree. I have a horrible suspicion that Bibi may see this coincidence as a form of divine providence. Very scary in a politician. But he might just be attracted by the coincidence. Either way, it is a coincidence so his reported comments are disconcerting.
2)I have seen contradictory evidence on this. So on the one hand, its not obvious how there came to be such a large number of Ashkenazi jews without mass converstion. The Sephardics are much easier to understand. On the other hand, there are clear genetic markers which as I understand it, Ashkenazis have in common with other Jews. That doesnt mean there hasnt been a lot of mixing over the years. There probably has. Incidentally, it doesnt rule out the idea that Palestinians are possibly descended from the original indiginous population - ie Jews, Greeks, Canaanites, Samarians etc. Basically all the people who spoke Aramaic in the area.
So then you get the potential irony of new coming European converts ending up oppressing people who were possibly descended from the original Jewish population. And there is some genetic evidence of this. But it certainly aint proven.
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 4:55 AM
I don't want people to think I agree with Anon 6:36. I don't think that Jews control the world. Nobody does. But the power of fundamentalism should not be underestimated.
Why should you care whether people think you think Jews are ultra-powerful?
Are you afraid that your loyal Jewish readers would then scream anti-semitism, call you a Holocaust-denying Nazi and desert you forever?
Or do you agree with Alex Jones that it's not the Jews that control the media, it's the Saudis?
But then again... http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2011/11/jewish-control-of-saudi-arabia.html
posted by Anonymous : 12:08 AM
Its not the Jews that control the media. Or the Saudis.
Its the rich.
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 10:12 AM
And just who are the rich, Harry?
That nefarious "top one-percenter" class is mighty top-heavy with Ashkenazi surnames. By one recent survey a near majority of the one-percenters have such names, which puts such folks at the top of the pyramid-of-mammon way, way out of proportion with their presence in society as a whole.
And Federal Election Commission documents prove they are very, very generous with campaign contributions (both singular and cleverly bundled) -- to the point that the K-Street lobbying game (when it comes to mideast policy in particular) is by and large just a big boys' version of spin-the-dreidel.
As you know, I despise the "controlled demolition" freakazoids. If you look at the history of this, the most inane of all conspiracy theories, you'll see that it originated not on the left but on the libertarian (or neo-Nazi) right.
It began with people like Alex Jones, Eric Hufschmid, Jared Israel, Carol Valentine and like-minded individuals. None of them are friends to the left. (Most of them would proclaim themselves to be "beyond" the traditional categories of left and right. Translation: They're right-wingers in disguise.)
In short and in sum, the "controlled demolition" theory was a classic example of the right infiltrating the left -- and a lot of young and very naive lefties fell for it, especially during the 2004-2007 period. In my opinion, this extremely well-funded propaganda effort was a deliberate ratfucking operation designed to decredibilize any inquiry into the real questions surrounding the events of 9/11, such as the involvement of the Saudis and the links between Osama Bin Laden and American (and Pakistani) intelligence. (Spooks are heavily tied into the world of drug trafficking, and Osama was a man with a lot of heroin for sale.)
Now the CDers are trying to ratfuck the Occupy Wall Street movement. They call their hijacking efforts Occupy Building 7.
As we've seen with previous anti-OWS efforts, this devious scheme is being promoted via an elaborate, impressive-looking website that obviously cost a fair amount money -- yet the people behind it give no indication as to their identities. The lack of signatures is all the clue you need. Invisible men are trying to manipulate the minds of millions.
Classic ratfucking. Classic.
The "Occupy Building 7" site is filled with long-debunked misinformation. The key piece of evidence offered by these twerps is Larry Silverstein's "pull it" remark, which he made on TV.
"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
As I've noted ad infinitum, he didn't say that they should "pull" the building right then and there -- seen in context, his words obviously indicate that he simply did not want firefighters to continue to risk their lives trying to save a building best given up for lost. Silverstein also said that the decision was made by the fire chief of New York; I guess the conspiracy nuts must think that he too was party to the Grand Conspiracy.
If we posit a conspiracy, then his statement makes no sense. If he knew that the joint had been surreptitiously wired for controlled demolition (as if such a thing were possible!), he would not be saying "All right, let's pull it" as though making a spur-of-the-moment decision.
The key piece of evidence cited by the "Occupy Building 7" disinformationists turns out to proof that the CD theory is nonsense. If you can't see that obvious fact, then re-read Silverstein's statement until the truth hits you.
Just look at the accompanying photo to your right -- a photo which the conspiracy theorists continually try to hide from the public. In a massive blaze like that, any planted bombs surely would have gone off long before that shot was taken -- and in irregular order.
No, you will not be allowed to debate the point with me. I used to allow that privilege, but the CDers proved themselves to be so obnoxious and stupid that I banished them from my site. I have learned a long time ago that CD maniacs are like religious zealots who try to "witness" to you in public places: You cannot allow them to say one word; you must simply tell them "GO AWAY" in the harshest tone of voice. They are the Borg; they are beyond reason and incapable of debate.
(Nevertheless, I can guarantee that several of these dimwits will try to comment on this post, despite this warning that their words will go unpublished. That's how stupid they are.)
Will the kids protesting Wall Street in nearby Zuccotti Park fall for this nonsense? I fear so. Many of them are ill-educated and easily gulled. As noted in an earlier post, more OWS marchers favor Rick Perry's flat tax proposal than favor the idea of radically restructuring the economy in a liberal direction. These kids mean well, but young eyes gather much wool.
This new effort may be the OWS-killer. (In case anyone's interested: I put off my system rebuild because I decided to give Windows 8 a try. For some reason, the three-hour download keeps getting interrupted in medias res.)
PS: Well, it took nearly a full day, but a CD nut finally tried to sneak in a comment. This, despite my clear warning that they have no voice here. Proof, once again, that CD-ers are COMPLETE idiots.
Then again, I'm not feeling like a genius myself. This damned reinstall is taking forever.
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Joe, anything could be a OWS killer. The very fact that Occupy Wall St. is underway and continues to grow is against all odds. Will there be infiltrators, provocatuers and all manner of fringe elements trying to get a foothold?
Yes.
Though Zuccotti park is the start point it is not the endpoint. This movement is evolving, spreading like a long-waited elixer to people sick and tired of business as usual, slick answers by the media and the powers that be. Doesn't guarantee success but it does say people are waking up. That's a first step, a necessary step for even the suggestion of change.
Today, 10,000 people showed up in DC to 'surround the WH.' In Oakland, an estimated 50,000 people closed the 5th busiest port in the country. In Chicago, OWS people deliberately and completely disrupted a breakfast, featuring a prime [RF--your term], Scott Walker.
Each action inspires the next. Each voice echoes the other. Individually, these actions may seem small. But added together, one by one, day by day, ordinary people rattle the pillars of power.
Yes, there are dangers out there. But the greatest danger is doing nothing at all.
Just my opinion, of course.
Peggy Sue
posted by Anonymous : 5:16 PM
Agree with Peggy Sue. The kids have been doing great at resisting co-option.
Joesph...your recent postings are almost comical in their hysteria. Yeah, 9/11 nutters and Rick Perry are the opposite of good, but are they even a threat?
Maybe it's a ratings ploy?
Thanks, Peggy Sue, for mentioning 10,000 surrounding the WH. Yeah, earlier today Joseph linked to Cenk who estimated 50,000 in Oakland. This is our task...to support these efforts by publicizing them as the MSM (our biggest threat) does not.
But they ARE beyond the "false left/right paradigm", just like Bill O'Reilly.
posted by Eric : 8:50 PM
Lately Firefox has been giving my XP powered box fits. It's been maxing out CPU usage. Now parts of FF aren't working at all. I wouldn't do a Windows 8 tryout unless I had a spare machine on hand. That's how I did the Windows 7 beta install. I used my Windows 98 box with some extra memory installed.
I wouldn't worry about the OWS movement being taken over by the nutters, it's far too diverse.
posted by Mr. Mike : 4:26 AM
I gave up on Windows 8 because the download simply would not complete! Maybe later.
Firefox has been a pain since version 4, especially for people who use blogger. It keep injecting unwanted text at random. I finally went back to version 3.6, which works fine.
I don't worry about nutters taking over the OWS movement. I worry about that a loud enough minority within that movement can be presented or perceived as the "face" of OWS.
Fine points Joe. I think your diagnosis is correct and I can see the risks as well. However, while optimism isnt my strong point, I have a sneaky hope that people are smarter than that, and once you rouse them from their torpor they will find a way to resist all but the most aggressive attempts by the authorities to gag or discredit them.
My concern is about what the authorities think they see, that they have to behave so badly. For example, Bernanke was an inspired choice for a Republican administration, IF they were worried about debt deflation. Without his money printing you would already have seen a terrifying economic collapse. So did they get lucky, or did they anticipate the problem?
Similarly I recall reports from a while ago that they have been building new camps which can deal with very large numbers of prisoners. What do they foresee that makes them think that this might be useful in the future?
Why exactly are they taking the OWS kids quite so seriously that there is apparent censorship, and news manipulation? Is it coordinated or just the product of the natural bias of the people who control news media in America? I dont know the answer but I do worry - what do they know that I dont?
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 5:35 AM
Joe, as it is the print and broadcast media hacks are doing everything they can to slime OWS so what's the difference?
The missus works at a large health care provider in the area, they still use XP and so do a lot of other businesses. That should tell you something.
posted by Mr. Mike : 7:25 AM
Well, a little bit of Building 7 money came from me. Not much but I'm not trying to keep it a secret.
Jeesh, Lastlemming
posted by lastlemming : 8:03 AM
The whole subject historically interests you, but it doesn't much interest the bulk of OWS participants or potential participants.
Besides which, Jared Israel is pro-Israel, and considers, last I checked, the pinnacle of the American elite anti-Israel (lol). You also realize that most MIHOP people do NOT assign the Mossad a key role, that libertarians like Justin Raimondo have properly attacked MIHOP kooks while advocating a more plausible LIHOP scenario ("9/11 Terror Enigma"/Raimondo) and that Raimondo certainly has a more dependable consistent anti-intervention anti-Empire view that, oh, let us say the bulk of liberal-lefties such as those Ian Welsh and Glenn Greenwald regularly and most properly criticise.
posted by Ken Hoop : 10:48 AM
What's your take on the first big-media reports on 9/11, which said that bombs had gone off in the basements of the Twin Towers and the State Department had been car-bombed and was on fire? (Just asking).
posted by b : 4:09 PM
The website gives this number for press inquiries: (516) 564-3480.
That's Nassau county (Long Island) NY.
The exchange is in use in Mineola, Garden City, Hempstead, and West Hempstead.
posted by Anonymous : 4:39 PM
Placing Jared Israel in same category as violent anti-semites like Alex Jones and Carol Valentine is slander. He opposes both anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim bigotry. Anyone can see that by reading tenc.net I believe his 9-11 conclusions are wrong but you cannot dismiss him as a right-wing nut such as you can with Alex Jones.
As for Justin Raimondo, Ken Hoop writes that the has 'more plausible LIHOP scenario.' I have read Raimondo. His 'more plausible scenario' is that Israel is behind 911 and every other problem in the world. Talk about right wing pretending to be left wing.
Raimondo is not far off in "blaming Israel for every problem in the world" (as the poster, milanj, above states), since the US government sets much of it's foreign policy around Israeli interests.
As to them being responsible for 9/11, Raimondo never said they were responsible, he said he suspected they had foreknowledge and deliberately withheld it from the US Government. Raimondo is wrong about many things, but personally I don't believe his views on Israel are very far off the mark (obviously, every US politician that wants to have a successful career MUST pay fealty to Israel at some point, or see their career slowly, or quickly, deteriorate).
Personally, I was intrigued by the CD hypothesis at first. However, the more the so called "9/11 Truth" movement developed, and I read about the people directing it and funding it, the more I realized it was just what Joe says it is. There are many, many questions about 9/11 that have never been answered, and the CD nuts are as responsible, if not more so, that the US Government for keeping them from being asked, let alone answered.
posted by Gus : 6:28 AM
I'm confused... I see everyone is calling you Joseph. I thought "Joseph Cannon" came out as a lesbian woman living in an "oppressive country" in the middle east awhile back? Didn't you come out awhile back and tell us all of that right here on your blog? Or was that a lie when you said you had been lying to us?
Well, I've been struggling for days with a tech problem. A series of very weird system freeze-ups have afflicted this particular 'puter. Even though the gauges show low CPU usage and perfectly normal memory usage, even though every anti-virus and anti-spyware scan comes up clean, and even though the hard drive seems fine, everything will lock up while using Photoshop or even Firefox -- sometimes even when moving largish files.
In Task Manager/Resource Monitor, the green lines show that everything is cool with the CPU -- yet the blue line depicting the CPU's "maximum frequency" is freaking out. Googling reveals that lots of others have had this issue, but nobody seems to understand why it happens. There's nothing for it but to re-install. Everything.
Sometimes this process is a breeze. Sometimes not. If I'm absent for a while, you'll know why.
In the meantime, check out:
1. Eliot Spitzer on what OWS should do now. His is the wisest, most bullshit-free list of desiderata yet offered. Nothing here about being kind to animals or respecting mother nature or marijuana legalization or gay marriage or ending the federal reserve. This isn't a laundry list; Spitzer gives us ECONOMICS ECONOMICS ECONOMICS. (Also publicity, publicity, publicity, which is, alas, a necessary part of the deal.)
Schedule OWS rallies and events at the various State of the State addresses delivered by governors in the first week of the new year. Use the fact that most state media congregate to hear what is usually a rather plebian speech. Create another story for them to cover that day from the capitol.
Call for a full rollback of the Bush tax cuts for all those above $1 million in annual income.
Start a petition drive in every state demanding that the state municipal governments stop using Goldman Sachs for advice and underwriting until Goldman Sachs returns the $12.9 billion dollars it received, from the taxpayers, as a part of the AIG bailout.
Better idea: Let's not call for Goldman disinvestment as part of a we-want-our-money-back deal. That's too limiting. Let's call for Goldman disinvestment for the same reason a previous generation called for disinvestment from South Africa. Evil is evil.
2. OWS does so have leaders. Remember when I told you that the leaderless movement actually had hidden movers-n-shakers? I was right. The concerns here are legitimate but can, I think, be addressed and rectified.
3. The (or at least some) truth about Occupy Oakland. (Via Skydancing, which has had lots of good stuff lately.)
Thanks for the link to the skydancing site...lots of good info! They linked to coverage on a new up and coming predatory practice: car repo mills, modeled after the foreclosure mills. And Wall St, of course, is investing in these shysters: http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/buy-here-pay-here-auto-companies-
Instead of spending billions and billions of dollars trying to make the "invisible hand" do its thing, could we solve the economic crisis via a more direct approach? A friend to this blog sent the following...
The Business Section of the St. Petersburg ( Florida ) Times asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix The Economy?" A senior citizen around 80 yrs. of age nailed it! Here is what he wrote:
Dear Mr. President, Please find below my suggestion for fixing America 's economy. Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan. You can call it the "Patriotic Retirement Plan": There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:
1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed!
2) They MUST buy a new AMERICAN Car. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed!
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed! It can't get any easier than that!! P.S. If more money is needed, have all members in Congress pay their taxes.. Mr. President, while you're at it, make Congress retire on Social Security and Medicare. I'll bet both programs would be fixed pronto!
This suggestion is floating around as a piece of instant email folklore. Most people reading it presume that the total cost of the program would be $40 million. (Admit it. That was your initial impression, right?)
In fact, distributing one million bucks apiece to $40 million people would cost $40,000,000,000,000 -- forty trillion dollars.
Nevertheless, I say do it. Just print up the money and hand it out. Inflation's low right now, so what the hell. If those who received the million bucks were asked to forgo their Social Security payments, then that program would be in the clear for a long, long, long time to come.
So I still like this idea, even though I know the real sum involved. I doubt, however, that many will agree with me.
PS. One further point: If the retirees live to the age of 80, they'll have $33,333 a year to live on. So I'm not so sure about that car and that house. I'm too tired right now to work out the interest rate if the money is put into a CD...
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Almost everything wrong with American religion can be found in this story.
An email sent out to members of the Crystal Cathedral congregation requesting meals for founder Robert H. Schuller's wife Arvella, who is ill with pneumonia, is creating mixed feelings of sadness and outrage among members.
According to longtime member Jim McDonald, an email was sent out by administrators to Bible study groups as well as church elders, asking that meals for the reverend's wife be dropped off at the cathedral's Tower of Hope where the Schullers' limo drivers will be waiting to pick them up at the designated time.
Member Bob Canfield says he was outraged when he got the message.
"These are millionaires who have limos and chauffeurs," he said. "Why in God's name would they want the congregants to deliver meals? It's ludicrous."
The email states that the Schullers do not want get-well cards sent because they would like to "keep her situation under the radar."
"However, they would appreciate meals over the next three to four weeks," the email states. "They are to be sent to the church in order to be transported to Arvella. The limo drivers could pick up the dinners or meet in the Tower Lobby around 4:30 p.m."
The message also requests that the meals be low in sodium and include items such as fruit, meats, soup and egg dishes such as quiches.
Well, I'm a lot more downscale that Robert Schuller. I'll take pasta and tomato sauce, some onions and maybe a few of those $1 chubs of ground turkey for the dog. We'll pick it up in our old Ford minivan that we bought from the post office.
By the way, Schuller's Crystal Cathedral is bankrupt, due (in part) to the the pastor's swankpot lifestyle.
The appeal comes weeks after a lawsuit charged that the founder of the Crystal Cathedral house of worship, Rev. Robert Schuller, and his family had been paying themselves lavish salaries and other benefits while the church was in financial straits.
There's another side to the story. Part of the reason for the drop in church membership has been the takeover by Schuller's daughters, who have switched over to a Gospel music format. (The Crystal Cathedral, located in Orange County, used to offer the aural equivalent of Wonder Bread.) The choir members are required to sign a stupid document decrying gay marriage, as though that has anything to do with singing. This ultraconservative stance annoyed paterfamilias Robert Schuller (now 84), who actually seems to be rather gay friendly: He hired an openly gay architect to build his cathedral.
Schuller was probably the least obnoxious of the televangelists who came to prominence in the 1970s and 1980s. Still, he should have heeded the observation of St. John Chrysostom, printed here just a couple of days ago:
Do you pay such honor to your excrements as to receive them into a silver chamber-pot when another man made in the image of God is perishing in the cold?
I read that comedian Lenny Bruce was harassed by the (Mick)cops not because of his language but that he dared point out the hypocrisy of the Pope of Catholic Church wearing ruby slippers while poor kids were starving.
This sounds like something along those lines, the priests of the religion living high on the hog while the congregation starves.
posted by Mr. Mike : 3:23 PM
Those ruby slippers were designed by Prada. I don't hear about the church helping the millions who have lost their homes, or the 20% of children with not enough food to eat. They're too concerned with their constant attacks on women and gays. I don't think this is what Jesus had in mind for his church.
posted by Mary : 3:55 PM
It is obvious that these swine are not true representatives of Jesus or Buddha or anyone else with a moral spine.
I'm no great fan of Hillary Clinton these days. But our friend Brent Budowsky makes a good case. The words below the asterisks are his...
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The true political state of the union is best revealed in a recent poll in Time magazine that found that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would win an epic and possibly realigning landslide in a presidential election against any Republican candidate.
First, the numbers. Then, the reasons.
In the Time poll, Clinton would defeat Mitt Romney by a whopping 55 percent to 38 percent. She would defeat Rick Perry by an even more devastating 58 percent to 32 percent.
These are realigning numbers. In this hypothetical match-up, the Clinton landslide would be so huge, and the Republican defeat so catastrophic, that Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the House and maintain control of the Senate.
In the Time poll, President Obama also defeats any candidate in the Republican field, though by far smaller margins than Clinton. Anyone who suggests that “Obama is toast” should not be taken seriously.
I believe the president, whom I support, would be a slight favorite in a close election against Romney, and could win a landslide against other Republicans, who have not come close to crossing the threshold of being serious contenders for commander in chief.
The lesson of the Time poll, which I believe would be replicated in other polls, though possibly not as dramatically, is this:
The next great realignment in American politics is very likely to be a Democratic realignment. It cannot be a Republican realignment, because the GOP has moved so far to the extreme right that it is now far outside the mainstream of American opinion.
While it is true that Hillary Clinton’s huge popularity is partly due to her being removed from partisan politics as secretary of State, there are other powerful messages for both parties in her soaring popularity.
Hillary Clinton represents the brand of the Democratic Party embodied by traditional Democratic presidents in hard economic times. She is identified with the great prosperity of the Bill Clinton presidency. But there are other powerful forces at work:
Hillary Clinton is part of what I once called “The Female Century.” Throughout the nation and around the world there is an epochal movement toward true equality for women.
By contrast, some Republicans slander Planned Parenthood. Many Republicans aggressively oppose pay equity for women. Congressional Republicans launch hostile attacks on countless programs that benefit women.
I have written before, and will write again, that a tidal wave of support from female voters will be a powerful factor helping the president and Democrats in 2012.
This “woman power” that benefits Hillary Clinton with women now benefits her with many men as well. In an economy where many view the 1 percent as unfairly gaining at the expense of the other 99 percent, Hillary Clinton is seen as a fighter. She never gives up. She is a voice for those who feel disempowered, including white male blue-collar workers, blacks who feel trapped in joblessness and injustice, Hispanics who are told their dreams can no longer come true and seniors who trust Hillary Clinton as their protector.
Hillary Clinton will not run for president in 2012. She will be one of the greatest assets of President Obama, who had the good judgment to name her secretary of State.
Hillary Clinton disproves the notion that America is a rightist nation. If the 2016 election were held today, America would not turn to the right, it would turn to Clinton.
In the eyes of voters, Hillary Clinton is the North Star of an America where Democrats act like Democrats and where every woman deserves equal pay, every worker deserves a job and nobody should be left behind.
The great source of Clinton’s strength is that the dreams of women are the dreams for all. Dorothy Rodham was one great mom who raised one great daughter. If Democrats remember why, they will do just fine in 2012.
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Cannon here: A few posts down, we described how a reader of this blog contacted the Obama campaign in order to find out his stance on further cuts to Medicare. The staffers replied that he doesn't have a stance. Not yet.
I still can't get my mind around that response. A Democratic president who doesn't have a position on such a clearly Democratic issue: Is such a thing possible?
Say what you will about Hillary: She would have had an answer to that question.
I don't dislike Obama as thoroughly as I used to, if only because he has been doing a few of the right things lately. But his is still -- and always will be -- a failed presidency. The best thing that Obama can do for his country right now is quit.
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I have always been a great admirer of Hillary. She's a fighter, politically savvy, and can think on her feet. I voted for her in the primary, but did not vote for Obama. I always thought he was a fraud from the beginning -just everything about him was phony and narcissistic, and my view of him hasn't changed. He's like Bush - on steroids.
I realize that Hillary has to carry out the policies of the White House, but the thing that troubles me is that she's too hawkish. I'm just not sure if that's who she really is or would she continue to build the American empire and engage the country in more wars. I would love to see a woman president in the next decade, but I am so tired of fighting stupid wars.
posted by Mary : 10:42 PM
You can say I'm not serious. But, between his own bad performance, the enthusiasm gap, and Republican electoral chicanery, I say Obama is toast. Look for another great shellacking in 2012. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.
Should Hillary decide to run the print and broadcast media will savage her mercilessly and her numbers will fall. There is a boat load of "journalists" who put their reputations on the line by supporting Obama and more who are jealous of Hillary's accomplishments waiting for the chance to strike.
Mary, you are not going to get 100% of what you want from any politician but with a Hillary Clinton you might get 80% verses 10% from Obama. When you say too hawkish, compared to whom?
Oh, and any Democrat that weasels on Social Security is spitting on FDR's head stone. It's that simple.
posted by Mr. Mike : 6:26 AM
Should Hillary decide to run the print and broadcast media will savage her mercilessly and her numbers will fall. There is a boat load of "journalists" who put their reputations on the line by supporting Obama and more who are jealous of Hillary's accomplishments waiting for the chance to strike.
Mary, you are not going to get 100% of what you want from any politician but with a Hillary Clinton you might get 80% verses 10% from Obama. When you say too hawkish, compared to whom?
Oh, and any Democrat that weasels on Social Security is spitting on FDR's head stone. It's that simple.
posted by Mr. Mike : 6:26 AM
I'm with Mary except I don't think of SOS or Sen. Clinton's positions as being particularly hawkish-- I'd call them realistic-- there is a significant number of people in the world who wants us (U.S.) all dead.
I wish you had titled this with your last line: "the best thing Obama could do for the country is QUIT." That is absolute gospel.
All those pretty words of praise the doddering Brent Budowsky (GAWD I remember puking every time Buzzflash posted his...work...) add up to...what? People should vote Dem because Hillary exists even if she's not running? He's basically trying to sweet-talk women into voting for the fraud in the White House...who defrauded Hillary, accepting votes for her gifted to him. Nice try. No dice, from this woman.
Also, please specify exactly what Obama is doing "right" now....except blathering platitudes exactly as he did the last campaign season.
Oh, wow....but thanks for linking to "our friend" Brent.... happily, the second comment there was obviously written by Riverdaughter (RD) and I'm still lmao: -clip- Jeez, is Karl Rove writing the campaign narratives for the Democrats this year? Because that sounds incredibly lame. "yay! Obama can get to victory by hanging onto tge coattails of his Secretary of State who everyone likes better but won't be serving after 2012! See? I am a good and loyal Democrat for supporting Obama no matter what!".
Yeah, that would motivate me to vote for him. {{rolling eyes}} -clip-
"The best thing that Obama can do for his country right now is quit."
Too true. I've been saying this all along. But the realist in me knows that Obama and most pols these days are not acting in the interest of their country. Obama is acting out of self-interest and perhaps, even self-preservation. When you've sold your soul, you do what the Master tells you to do.
I am and continue to be a huge Hillary admirer. I don't agree with her 'hawkish' stands but I'm willing to admit that she knows a hell of a lot more than I do about the issues. But domestically, I think we'd be far better off under a Clinton Administration than the current 'O' mode we're in. Obama not having a stance on Medicare or on any controversial issue should not come as a surprise. This is the same man who voted 'present' to important issues while serving as an Illinois Senator. When you have little vision and fewer principles, it's easy to be 'stanceless.' Obama is no FDR Democrat. He's Republican-lite and he will do whatever he thinks will get him reelected. I don't trust his sudden flirtation with a populist agenda--the dance is too little, too late. I can't say I hate the man [in fact, hating on Obama is a distraction] but he will not get my vote in 2012.
Btw, I didn't vote for Obama in 2008. A vote for an empty suit is an empty vote.
Peggy Sue
posted by Anonymous : 10:53 AM
What a joke. Voted for the Iraq War, hoping for a quick victory. Gave no help to Kucinich in desire to cut off war funds. Shows women can also be vicious imperialists.
Hispanics drive down worker's wages,in tandem with Big Biz GOP Rethugs.
Women's lib Hillary style reduces needed ample birthrate of the founding core. Ditto "pay equity" in those terms--but it is favorable to subsidize time off from work for pregnancy (and increased birthrates ala Putin's efforts.)
Yeah I know, liberals but certainly not national communists believe founding ethnic cores are replaceable with the original national identity and national stability of course continuing. But Stalin defeated Trotsky and since then only national communism prevailed. Be careful what you call "progressive."
posted by Ken Hoop : 4:50 PM
"I don't dislike Obama as thoroughly as I used to, if only because he has been doing a few of the right things lately"
Can't think of anything he'd done for the 99%
"He's Republican-lite"
In fact, everything he's done is for the 1%.
So, what's he done right, and how can you possibly think he's lite?
It is not possible for one to be wealthy and just at the same time. Do you pay such honor to your excrements as to receive them into a silver chamber-pot when another man made in the image of God is perishing in the cold?
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places where in the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree. And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their idols with fire; and ye shall hew down the carved images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. - Deuteronomy 12 Doesn't sound very christian to me. A jealous tree-hater? Tree-huggers beware the christians.
Well, I'm on record as not being a big fan of Deuteronomy. Or Joshua. Of all the "holy" scriptures I've perused, the ones detailing the original conquest of Canaan are the most UNholy.
As a lapsed catholic, I know next to nothing about the bible. I do know a few people who consider themselves to be devout "Christians", but wouldn't lift a finger to help a fellow human being. In too many instances, Christianity only serves as a veneer for something rotten and dark.
Mary
posted by Mary : 8:28 PM
All the scriptures are full of it. In the Bhagavad Gita the warrior Arjun is drawn up ready for battle in a civil war and has attacks of conscience about the killing of people close to him. His chariot driver Krishna tells him to go ahead and kill them -- "They are dead already." The reason he gives is that he, Krishna, is in fact the Omnipotent Being incarnated, that everything is written according to his divine will and that Arjun is being called upon to be the instrument of that will.
... and let's not forget jihad.
Yep, the scriptures are all for killing.
Just remember: if you hear a voice from a burning bush you are allowed to tie your son to an altar, cut his throat and burn the remains.
posted by wxyz : 4:23 AM
I just realized: This may be the first post in which Mary made a comment in reply to Joseph.
The Old Testament is, most definitely, a disturbing, even frightening account of the "Old Covenant," in which nothing and no one -- in the sinful/lost world under Satan's temporary domain -- could stand in the way of the Chosen People's conquests to acquire the Promised Land. It was bloody and violent, indeed, and the Bible does not spare us the gory details.
But in the "fullness of time," when God then sent the Chosen his long-promised Messiah, the "stiff-necked" Chosen rejected His message of peace, forgiveness and love... and killed him.
So God established His "New Covenant," (with all nations and people)of salvation by grace -- through faith in Christ's promises and sacrifice. And the New Testament's central message is Jesus' "New Commandment": to love one another and to love your neighbor as yourself.
I'm a little late, but Matt Taibbi wrote a terrific piece advocating pulling your money out of Bank of America. As an OWS-related strategy, this could do much more good than camping out in a park, because
...when it comes to commercial banking, Bank of America is as bad as it gets.
The markets, of course, have lately come to agree, as B of A has lately been downgraded again to just above junk status. The only reason the bank is not rated even lower than that is that it is Too Big To Fail. The whole world knows that if Bank of America implodes – whether because of the vast number of fraud suits it faces for mortgage securitization practices, or because of the time bomb of toxic assets on its balance sheets – the U.S. government will probably step in to one degree or another and save it.
Taibbi's link goes to Zero Hedge, which brings in a truly astounding number:
Bank of America, which today reported a big bottom line loss net of one-time beneficial items, did something quite tricky and extremely devious last month: it shifted anywhere up to the total of $53 trillion of the total derivatives it held as of June 30 (as Zero Hedge previously reported) on its books at Q2 from the Holding Company, which was downgraded last by Moody's from A2 to Baa1 (the third-lowest investment grade rating) to its retail bank, which was downgraded to the far more palatable A2 (from Aa3). The reason for the transfer? Bank customers who were uneasy with the fact that suddenly the collateral backstoping the operating entity handling their counterparty risk was downgraded to just above junk, demanded that said counterparty risk be mitigated by the bank's $1 trillon in deposits. In other words, as Bloomberg first reported when it broke this story, anywhere up to the full $53 trillion (we don't know for sure how much so we assume the worst case) is now fully and effectively backstopped explicitly by the bank's $1,041 trillion (as of September 30) deposits. Pardon, we meant the people's deposits: the same deposits which caused the bank's website to be inoperative for several days in a row after it was rumored that there was an electronic run on the bank.
Your eyes may have watered reading some of that, but you probably got the gist: B of A is dying. In a sense, it died some time ago; it walks among us because it is undead. If B of A goes, the rest of the Wall Street vampires might also face stakes and crosses.
As I've said before: We need to stop visualizing the economy in terms of capitalism and socialism. We need to think of it in terms of finance capitalism versus industrial capitalism. Over the course of thirty years, the financiers have run the show -- and look what they did to the nation. I am of the opinion that the only thing which can revive industrial capitalism in this country is the socialization of finance capitalism.
The destruction of B of A is just the sort of shock that could bring true reform to the system. Even Obama, wretch that he is, might understand the need for bold action. OWS (if it can maintain its current popularity) could provide political cover, or an impetus, for such a move.
Besides, it's not as though the Wall Streeters have been giving the president much love lately.
Why shouldn't we socialize Bank of America outright? Taxpayers have already taken on the risk. Taibbi:
This decision was done at the behest of counterparties to those transactions, who wanted those contracts placed under the aegis of Bank of America, whose deposits are insured by the FDIC. The move was made, according to reports, so that Bank of America could avoid posting $3.3 billion in collateral to satisfy the company’s creditors. In other words, Bank of America just got You the Taxpayer to co-sign as much as $53 trillion worth of dicey derivative contracts.
So the primary regulator of the banking industry is encouraging a functionally insolvent megabank to respond to a credit downgrade by pushing its most explosively risky holdings onto the laps of the taxpayer. This is lunacy…. Remember that story about the Chinese man who had a world-record 33-pound tumor removed from his face? This would be like treating that patient by removing the tumor and surgically attaching it to the face of a new patient, in this case the U.S. taxpayer
I would advise the OWSers to carry signs telling the populace to pull out of B of A and deposit their money in a smaller bank. That's a start.
By the way: That coronary-inducing figure of $53 trillion demonstrates the true absurdity of Wall Street's position. Nobody's quite sure how much money there is in all the world, but every estimate I've seen puts the figure below $53 trillion. In an earlier post, I cited a source -- the CIA, actually -- which gave a figure of $44 trillion in the year 2000.
That figures should give the lie to those right-wingers who still insist that the crisis was caused by Fanni and Freddie giving loans to unqualified people of color. If you were to buy all of the houses purchased via subprime loans, you'd spend only a tiny fraction of $53 trillion. Those loans were used as the basis for funky financial instruments which were used as chips in the most surreal casino of all time.
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1) So the best estimate I have seen of the total volume of dollar assets (or liabilities) was about 50 trillion. So I would guess the US was about 25% of the world. So the total amount of "money" in the world might be of the order of 200 trillion - if you define money as all that which can be borrowed against.
2) A bank derivative book total size is not a very meaningful number. If I rec fixed on a swap in 1bn, and then pay fixed on the same swap in 1bn I will have total derivative contracts with exposure of 2bn. But my market exposure will be zero. So while I am sure that BoAs total exposures are very large, I am not sure we can really use the $53 tr number as meaning anything.
3) I can see a lot of merit in separating utility banking - tranaction facilitation for example from investment banking. A lot of banking is just moving money. Its not risky but it is important. Why do we subsidise speculation by insuring its risks just cos banks do both risky and safe business. Split the businesses.
4) I can see what the scum at the top of the administration are thinking. The banks are like the devil. If they didnt exist you would have to invent them. The idea is why put them out of business when that will only benefit foreign banks. Im sure you could suggest reasons why the best thing to do might well be to let the banks go bust. I certainly can. However there would be collateral damage. And a lot of currently wealthy people might well be far less wealthy.
5) US Banks have behaved abominably. I personally think they should suffer the fate of all failed capitalist ventures. But the banks arnt the only reason for the dreadful income distribution or the enormous outsourcing of jobs. Why give a pass to the disfunctional "industrial capitalism". Doesnt management looting in this sector offend you as much?
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 1:38 PM
Mr. Cannon's quote..."As I've said before: We need to stop visualizing the economy in terms of capitalism and socialism. We need to think of it in terms of finance capitalism versus industrial capitalism. "
Awesome point. Please everybody, memorize it, it's the complete 100% truth. Wall Street CREATES NOTHING. All Wall Street does is figure out a way to move an existing business elsewhere so it can make more money on cheaper, younger labor, that's all they do.
That world GDP number sounds about right - I know US GDP is about 15tr. But why would gross domestic product which is a bit like annual production or income be a good measure of the necessary amount of money? You might argue that by Fisher MV=PT but even then you dont really have much of an insight into the total amount of money needed - without making an assumption about V.
Let me be clear. I can see finance capital is in charge of this country. I think this is both wrong and dangerous. However I don't think that industrial capital is blameless or benign. I think a quick look at what US management is up to would make that clear quickly. Time Warner is not your friend. Neither is ExxonMobile or even Google. They need regulation too, and most of all they need new institution designed to insure that minority shareholder interests are represented.
Harry/
posted by Anonymous : 3:17 AM
GDP (official exchange rate): GWP (gross world product): $63.17 trillion (2010)
I probably shouldn't write about Rick Perry, since his campaign is toast. Still, there's no freude like schadenfreude, and I can't help taking an interest in the debate over the Texas governor's instantly-infamous New Hampshire speech. Was he high? Or is this man simply a born buffoon?
This blogger (previously unknown to me) votes for "buffoon":
But Rick Perry wasn’t on drugs, he’s just that dumb. For years, he’s hidden his intellectual inadequacies behind a blustery bravado that blinded us to his stupidity. As I watched him physically intimidate Ron Paul and shout over Mitt Romney during the debates, I assumed Perry’s chief ignorance was his belief in bullying as a campaign strategy. But I missed the point: Rick Perry’s chief ignorance is his ignorance – he’s an idiot.
I live in Texas--Perry has been governor forever, and I've never seen him like that. He is usually very packaged and controlled and typically comes across more as a seething bully/slithery politician than the drunken Aggie who was in those clips. Then again, most of the soundbites that appear in the Texas media are things he wanted us to see.
Rachel Maddow interviewed a reporter that has followed Perry for 20ish years. He stated he has only seen Perry act like that once before and that was this year at CPAC in Feb. Absolutely every other time he's spoken it was as you describe it. The feb instance tends to rule out the June back surgery angle. This suggests either new meds with unexpected side effects or missing the meds that keep him grounded the rest of the time. If either of these, the next question is what are the meds for specifically?
"I can tell you unequivocally he wasn't drinking at the event and he hadn't been drinking prior to the event," said Kevin Smith, executive director of conservative group Cornerstone Action, which organized the event, told The Hill. "I was sitting with him, and I found him to be very engaging with all of the people he was talking with, he was very articulate."
According to Smith, Perry drank "only water" in the period leading up to his address. He also said that the general reaction by the Granite State audience had been, "wow, he hit it out of the park" with the speech.
Is it possible that the folks in NH actually liked what they heard? Gawker certainly has it wrong:
The only qualities Perry exhibited that evening were those of someone "articulate, animated and loose" — kind of like vintage Charles Nelson Reilly on a particularly engaging episode of Match Game.
That -- and I'm not making a joke here -- is deeply insulting to the memory of Charles Nelson Reilly. I presume those calling Perry "articulate" do so in the same sense one might nickname a seven-foot bruiser "Tiny."
I’m not a psychologist, but I’m the child of someone who’s bipolar — and I know bipolar people well — and this has the *exact* qualities of mania. It’s possible to experience manic episodes from a handful of medical (or chemical) conditions, but as someone who grew up around a LOT of mania, I’d bet money that Governor Perry is expressing it here. Look up ‘mania’ on wikipedia to learn more.
Maybe the answer is simpler. I posit that Perry's handlers have continually told him that his debate performances were too stiff, so he psyched himself into a "loose as a goose" state of mind. Or mindlessness. "Just be yourself," they told him -- and ohmygod, that's who he really is.
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I hadn't actually watched that before now, but I think you've got it right Joe. He doesn't seem drunk or on drugs to me (though I suppose there are a ton of different drugs out there that could alter his behavior in that way). I suspect that your assessment is quite close to the truth. Advisors told him to "loosen up" and he took it to the extreme.
However, the mania suggestion is quite possible as well, judging from his politics.
posted by Gus : 12:52 PM
"Was he high? Or is this man simply a born buffoon?"
I haven't written about the sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain because I don't have much to say, and what little I do have to say will probably annoy many readers.
I see no hard evidence that the man has done anything wrong. I do not like and do not trust allegations made by invisible, nameless accusers. Even if the accuser were to come forward, "sexual harassment" has become such a ridiculously ill-defined category that I would become perturbed only if the alleged infraction were genuinely outrageous.
Since money apparently changed hands in the Cain case, we have every reason to believe that money motivated the accusation in the first place. As long-time readers know, I am not among those people who view women as holy beings who are incapable of telling fibs for cash. And I can understand why a successful CEO might write a check just to make a problem go away quickly.
Above and beyond all other considerations: I hate seeing elections turn on below-the-waist issues. We cannot expect politicians to be free of human frailty. Allegations of sexual impropriety simply don't matter to me, at least not as much as they matter to many others.
True, such allegations often amuse me, especially when large doses of hypocrisy are involved. And who can resist the opportunity to make a good dirty joke? I sure can't.
But fun is fun, and serious is serious. Political careers -- even the careers of people I don't like -- should not end as a result of this sort of nonsense.
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I didn't read past not seeing any "hard evidence." Gee, if they hand out $35,000 for gratuitous accusations, who needs a job except to get one of those?
The wingnuts didn't believe Anita Hill so we got Thomas, the worst guy to sit on the bench, ever. The wingnuts believe Cain...it can't be good. I look forward to cheering every woman who crawls out of the woodwork to expose him as a man of low character.
Sexual harassment may a set up for a punchline but believe me, it isn't funny if you're on the receiving end of it.
Ania Hill signed her name to it (so to speak), told what I consider a convincing story, and didn't take a pay-off. So in my view, she was credible. I'm less inclined to believe someone who asks for money or who accepts money.
Also, what Anita Hill described was pretty outrageous. Credible, but outrageous.
So, I place her in a different category than I would the Cain accusers. But we may have to revise the view as more facts come out.
If the ladies don't tank Herman's campaign, funny business will. Cain was put in charge of Godfather's Pizza when it was worth $396 million. Thirty months later he bought it for $30 million. How did a company worth $306 million, before Herman Cain was put in charge, come to be worth $30 million, 29 months after he was put in charge? Inquiring minds want to know. http://tinyurl.com/43ploke
You wouldn't believe how many civil cases out there are bogus, but the plaintiff gets cash so that the "problem" goes away instead of going to trial. Insurance companies, not defendants, call the shots. Lawyers will risk their licenses taking fake cases because they know how to twist nonexistent "facts" to fit legal technicalities. In other words, they exploit the settlement system for their own benefit. Innocent people have their reputations trashed because most people think a settlement automatically equals guilt. It's impossible to get a reputation back once it is trashed by the plaintiffs and publicized by the media. There needs to be serious sanctions against lawyers who take fraudulent cases, including disbarment--I am named in one such fraudulent case and will likely never be able to defend myself in court as my former employer and its insurance company will give the plaintiffs the money. (The plaintiff in my case is already searching around for another place to live--she already has the yet unpaid money already spent--and is picking areas that have a lot higher unemployment rate than in northern Nevada. This pretty much tells me her suit is a total scam operation although I knew it all the time.) Right now sanctions are completely ineffective against scumbag attorneys who commit fraud on a court.
Of course the payoffs in the Cain case were outside of a court, but again, settlements have nothing to do with guilt or innocence of the accused party.
It's not inconceivable, but it's hard to posit a conspiracy involving three different money-grubbing women. And (male) staffers at the National Restaurant Association are saying it was well known that Cain was a horn dog and that the accusations were based on incidents that the staffers witnessed.
I'm almost always on the side of red-blooded suckers who are dragged in front of the Star(r) Chamber, but in this case, I'm inclined to believe the multiple women.
posted by Trojan Joe : 8:58 AM
Are some charges of sexual harrassment, or even racial discrimination in employment, made in bad faith, seeking unwarranted monetary damages out of greed? Of course. Equally true, though, is the fact that many men in positions of authority flirt, come on to, and try to arrange dates with those they supervise.
I doubt deciding these things a priori, on such general principles, without regard to the evidence in a given case, is a sound method.
We now have on record that Christian right talk radio guy in Iowa, formerly a kind of king maker for previous Iowa caucuses, stating HE WAS THERE in a restaurant RECENTLY when Cain's interaction with the waitress was over the line enough that everyone was made uncomfortable, to where some even asked that he stop. As that man has been attacking both Romney and Perry, I have read, he wouldn't appear to have a motive of helping the major rivals of Cain's in volunteering this information to add to this complaint.
Worse for Cain, I think, is looking at this process he's overseen. He had a 10 day heads up that this was coming, and still handled it like a deer caught in the headlights.
Further proof of his unreadiness for prime time, as fielding false charges (if these are that) is a frequent part of the job he seeks.
XI
posted by Anonymous : 9:49 AM
Like you I am not very interested in these kinds of things; however, Cain seems to be pretty much a slime bag. I can't take him serious as a politician. I don't think he is credible or serious about helping the people of this country. I don't know about the allegations but he seems to be starting to rack them up a bit.
Could they be contrived? Certainly. Lots of people in this country lie all the time even when they have little to gain from it. Of course, from the looks of things Cain is no different because he has continually lied through his teeth since becoming a candidate.
Medicare and Social Security update: Obama votes "Present"
A few posts down, we discussed the heroic efforts of Progressives United (Russ Feingold's organization) to make sure Medicare and Social Security don't face the chopping block -- again. I suggested calling the Obama campaign and telling them "Not one dime unless the president pledges to save Medicare and Social Security." One reader did just that.
I called the Obama campaign. They said they couldn't find the President's position on that. I told them, politely, that until they made clear an unequivocal stand that any cuts in Medicare and SS benefits would be vetoed by the President, I couldn't open up my wallet the way I did in 2008. They said they'd work on getting a position up. I'm not holding my breath.
He doesn't have a position on that?
He doesn't have a freakin' position on Medicare and Social Security?
Is it too much to ask that a Democratic president take a position on such a fundamentally Democratic issue? Does Obama want his spinelessness to become an issue in 2012?
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"Protecting" or "saving" these programs is a bit different from preventing any cuts or changes to them.
In fact, saving Medicare must involve significant savings, as in the already enacted into law health care reform savings of $500 billion out of the future growth in Medicare costs.
Even Clinton 'cut' Medicare expenditures (meaning reductions in outyear increases, which the Clinton administration itself CALLED cuts).
I think Nixon's old economic advisor, Herb Stein, coined the observation that if things cannot go on like they are, they won't. The very definition of that is the annualized increases in Medicare expenditure, double the rate of regular inflation, that will see that part of government spending grow to crowd out ALL OTHER federal spending, if its double digit annual increases continue on pace. Which they cannot, so they won't.
We do the country no favors by pretending no changes must be made (at least in Medicare), and that those changes will amount to cuts in future benefit costs, and/or additional costs to future beneficiaries for the same benefit levels.
Remember when the propagandists were trying to tell you that Occupy Wall Street was violent and that the teabagger extremists are just a bunch of sweet old puddytats? Well, look at this. (The court documents are here.) Right-wing paranoia led a group of aging would-be mass-murderers to plan their own politicized version of Columbine...
Federal agents charged four Georgia men they say are part of a fringe militia group with plotting to attack government officials with explosives and the biotoxin ricin, prosecutors in Atlanta announced Tuesday.
"When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people gotta die," an arrest affidavit quotes one of the defendants, 67-year-old Dan Roberts, as saying during one recorded conversation.
According to arrest affidavits filed in the case, Roberts and 73-year-old Frederick Thomas agreed to buy a silencer, a bomb and parts to convert a semi-automatic rifle to a fully automatic machine gun from an undercover agent. Meanwhile, 65-year-old Ray Adams and 68-year-old Samuel Crump worked to obtain castor beans and produce ricin, an FBI agent states in the documents.
And during an April meeting at his home, Thomas told participants he had a "bucket list" of politicians, government officials, corporate leaders and media figures he said should be targeted to "make the country right again."
"I could shoot ATF and IRS all day long. All the judges and the DOJ and the attorneys and prosecutors," the affidavit quotes Thomas as saying.
The court papers include some snippets from covertly recorded chats with these guys. There are some lovely details not included in any news account known to me...
21. CRUMP also made the following comments regarding dispersing ricin:
a. "You take a poind of that (unintelligible), get upwind, up around Washington, DC, get about 20,000 feet (in an airplane), and turn that shit loose, it'd cover the whole (unintelligible) of Washington."
Since I now live not far from the whole (unintelligible) of Washington, this threat attracted my respectful attention. So did this reference to a toxic substance other than ricin:
14. CRUMP also told CHS1 about another substance even deadlier, stating "That other kind, 1 pound can kill 30 million people. CRUMP then stated, "We need somebody to back us with some damn money so we can make that other shit, which he then described as, "This is worse than anthrax." CRUMP added, "That shit's deadly! There ain't no damn, there ain't no cure it either. And it works, I think within 2 hours."
Very intriguing, and very frightening. Just what is this substance? In a later conversation, Crump referenced botulism, which can be weaponized in an aerosol form. (Also see here.)
I'd also like to know just what source of money these guys had in mind.
Oddly, the FBI investigator is careful not to list the militia linked to these individuals. The Georgia Constitutional Militia does not seem to have updated its website in fifteen years. Wikipedia says that there are two (competing?) groups in that state, the Georgia Militia and the Militia of Georgia. The latter seems likely, since it is located in the northern part of the state, which is where our four "patriots" were located. Their bulletin board doesn't look very active. This thread indicates that they think Glenn Beck is soft of communism and the Tea Party was co-opted by "moderate Republicans."
Should we dismiss the threat posed by the four arrested militia members simply because they are senior citizens? I wouldn't.
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They're south of me about 60 miles and no they should get no slack because of their ages. Those idiots need to go into prison forever-- assuming this isn't some gubbermint [expletive] operation.
Oh yes...let's lock people up for spouting bullshit to each other. While we're at it, lets lock up all people associated with the Tea Party because they probably say the same things...there just isn't enough federal agents to record them all.
"Spouting bullshit"? The complaint looks like something quite a bit more definite to me. I guess you didn't read it.
My point is simple. For all the talk you see on right-wing sites about OWS posing some sort of revolutionary threat, the simple fact is that there ain't no-one on the left talking about ricin or botulism. The American left doesn't have an Oklahoma City on its resume.
(Well, there was the time anarchists blew up the Los Angeles Times building. But you have to go back to ...what was it? 1910? I think it was that year.)
Follow-up to my previous comment: Yeah, it was 1910. Although I had heard about the LAT blow-up all my life, I never looked up the background until just now. It's actually a pretty interesting story...
What's unnerving is that, in this story, some Dems are the villains (or the villain-enablers) while others are trying to rescue the situation. The following comes from Russ Feingold, speaking as head of Progressives United:
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Tell the super committee: No cuts to Medicare and Social Security, or no deal.
It's a disaster in the making: Late last week, Democrats on the deficit "super committee" proposed making huge cuts to Medicare and Social Security benefits, two of the most effective social programs in our nation's history and something millions of us depend on for our health care.
It's a misguided attempt to get Republicans to agree to a deal, but it's a deal that's not worth making.
Tens of thousands of progressives have told the super committee Democrats to walk away from any deal that includes cuts to Medicare or Social Security benefits.
But it's clear that we need to step up the pressure.
The super committee has until November 23 to recommend $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade, and that means the pressure from corporate lobbyists, the administration, and more is only going to grow.
We need to make sure Democrats on the super committee feel the pressure only progressives can bring. We need to urge them to stand by our progressive principles:
1. Ensure millionaires, billionaires, and big corporations pay their fair share of debt reduction,
2. No cuts to Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid benefits,
Super committee Democrats need us to remind them, and they need us in force. That's why we're partnering with the progressives at Social Security Works on this action -- and why I hope you can step up today.
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Cannon here. There is another (arguably more effective) measure you can take. Contact the Obama 2012 campaign (312-698-3670) and tell them you won't give one dime or one vote unless Obama pledges to veto any measure that hits Medicare and Social Security. You say you didn't plan to donate anyways? Hey, you don't have to tell that to them.
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But if they dont cut Medicare, they will have to cut defense spending. And THAT would never do. Its all a question of those that love life, and those that worship death, to paraphrase someone elses line
Harry
posted by Anonymous : 2:27 PM
I've signed 3 petitions today regarding the Dems' enablers to cut SS and Medicare. This is beyond despicable because these programs, as you say, are the most effective social programs for seniors' retirement and health care. Thank you for the Obama campaign phone number. I do not plan to vote for Obama and I'm convinced he was put up as a candidate who could accomplish such a travesty. Can anyone tell me what the Dems stand for anymore?
Mary
posted by Mary : 2:50 PM
Can anyone tell me what the Dems stand for anymore?
Deceit, stupidity, greed, foolishness, fraud?
posted by Mr. Mike : 4:32 PM
And Feingold? Really?
He talked a mildly good fight in support of the ethereal "public option" - From the Bold Progressives: Russ Feingold recently said: "I do not support proposals that would replace the public option in the bill with a purely private approach.
I called the Obama campaign. They said they couldn't find the President's position on that. I told them, politely, that until they made clear an unequivocal stand that any cuts in Medicare and SS benefits would be vetoed by the President, I couldn't open up my wallet the way I did in 2008. They said they'd work on getting a position up. I'm not holding my breath.
While traversing through several right-wing anti-OWS sites, I found one consistent reference point: The Terror. For the teabaggers, Citizen Robespierre remains a topic of keen and current interest; he is, in a sense, still alive and still a threat. See, for example, here and here and here.
I do not admire him. The best one can say about Robespierre is that, although he may have meant well at first, he eventually went mad and thus had to be put down like a foamy-mouthed dog.
That said, I want to draw a comparison to another event in French history -- one which may also be relevant to our current debate over the Occupy Wall Street protests.
Eighty years after Robespierre's death, in 1871, General Mac-Mahon (who, appropos de rien, was related to Johnny Carson's sidekick), suppressed the Paris Commune. Mac-Mahon's soldiers went on a barbaric, wholly unnecessary orgy of vengeance and violence. They killed women, children and elderly. They killed those trying to surrender. They killed everyone lying in bed in the military hospitals. They killed any man or woman who was caught carrying a match, on the grounds that such a person might be an arsonist.
They killed patriots who had bravely continued the fight against the Prussians well after Mac-Mahon had (through his indecision and stupidity) lost the key battle of Sedan. In fact, Mac-Mahon joined forces with the hated German invaders to murder the communards.
Here's the key point I want you to take away from this short essay:
When all the bodies were counted, Mac-Mahon's victims came to a number four times larger than the number of those who died in the Terror. The reactionaries did their bloody work in just a few days. The Terror occurred over the course of nine months.
Yet the victims of Mac-Mahon's troops are largely forgotten.
You never read about them in school, and you've never seen a movie about them. They were poor. They are the invisibles of history.
The victims of the Terror were aristocrats -- and therefore, they will be remembered forever. Today's conservatives hail them as something akin to saints.
Why is our memory of history so selective?
And why do so many Americans think that class warfare goes in but one direction?
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How quickly we forget the Pinkertons, or the Black and Tans.
posted by Mr. Mike : 6:26 AM
The Nazis killed all the intellectuals in Poland they could lay their hands on. You don't hear much about that. The idea of class warfare is a lot like the sword of Damocles: it cuts both ways. If you want a better idea of what class warfare can lead to why don't you bring up the Russian Revolution? Maybe point out what happened to the Czar's family, not to mention a whole laundry list of those Lenin, Trotsky, and their ilk didn't like. It was a bloodbath that allowed Joesph Stalin to murder millions, including the peasents, the military, politicians, film-makers, artists, and anyone who looked at him crooked. They were erased from history. And, Mao was another who had no qualms about mass murder. He even killed all the birds so the crops wouldn't be eaten by them, only to have insects appear. There is no way to balance the books when carnage results from class warfare. And, rest assured, those who have power are not above using violence to retain it. Just reflect on Tianimen Square, or Belfast, or Budapest under the communists, or Syria. Rhetoric is cheap in the art of propoganda. Just make sure your love of hyperbole does not outpace your wisdom. A lot of your judgements seem lopsided in favor of the kind of rashness prompted by agent provcoatuers. I often wonder how any one person who bemoans their finances can possess such a finely combed knowledge about the variety of subjects that are the meat and bones of your stew and still keep the home fires burning. Maybe there's something you're not telling us about the class you belong to, and a lot more.
Mongrel, you can take your paranoid accusations elsewhere; you are not welcome here any more. My commenting rules are few and clear; apparently, you can't read.
I print your comment only to point out that I have talked about Stalin before, pointing out that George W. Bush racked up a higher body count on a per-year basis:
The fact that we don't count Dubya as one of history's great mass murderers -- more terrible than Stalin -- proves the point in my current essay. Historical memory is selective.
Joseph, I wrote a long rebuttal to that guy but accidentally hit the wrong button. Suffice it to say that I think that first line was a not so veiled threat. You are obviously an intellectual, well read and well educated.
These guys all are so worried about the "red menace" of communism that they seem to forget about the economic conditions that brought about those revolutions in the 1st place. The same kind of conditions that the wealthy elite are actually cultivating right now.
Maybe, just maybe if they were actually interested in this country and the people of this country they would work with us to ferret out the money and the corruption that has infested and wrecked our political system.
Instead, they are cultivating the "kleptocracy" to meet their own agendas and their own pocket books at the expense of so many others. The truly sad part is that they use the "socialism" scare as cover for their madness while the harsh truth is that people in this nation die from a lack of medical care, people live on park benches and under bridges and so many people go hungry.
There is just no excuse for that and when things become overly desperate the conditions will be primed for some sort of revolution. Something that no sane or rational person wants. I think Mongrel needs to wake up and smell the coffee rather than distribute his paranoid diatribes. Now is the time to fix things. Now is the time to put our country on the right path and make this a great place to live for everyone. Not just the wealthy.
posted by gregoryp : 10:43 AM
"The victims of the Terror were aristocrats -- and therefore, they will be remembered forever. Today's conservatives hail them as something akin to saints."
The poor and powerless don't write history books. DM
posted by Anonymous : 11:44 AM
What kind of 'non-lethal' weapons are being used, or may be used, against the occupations in London, New York, etc.?
Have a look at this article, and in particular, the photo. There is a suggestion that microwave weapons have been put in place outside St Paul's cathedral in London, where occupiers moved after being prevented from getting too close to the Stock Exchange. Have a look at the photo.
(According to one guy, who claims he had familiarity with such weapons before giving a US warfare corporation the big "middle finger", the photo shows PA equipment, that's all. Just happens to be PA equipment used by the Police Chemical, Biological, Radiological & Nuclear (CBRN) Centre, that's all. Forgive me for remaining unconvinced).
Of course the first question is what is the device shown in the photo.
There's a broader question, which asks whether the use of EMF weapons (any wavelength) has ever been combined with the 'kettling' that has been such a frequently used police crowd-control tactic in Britain.
posted by b : 5:02 PM
The most familiar movie that references the Commune is Babette's Feast
The title characters was a Communard and political refugee, forced to flee France after her husband and sons were killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
Just found out that ironically (or not) Oakland is home to a premiere provider of sitar wars crowd control weapons. The general strikers should be made aware:
Sierra Nevada Corporation 1956 Webster St # 300 Oakland, CA 94612-2939 (510) 446-8400 Subway: 19th St. Oakland BART "July 18, 2008 As part of the U.S. Navy's investigation into futuristic nonlethal weaponry, the Sierra Nevada Corporation is building a microwave energy pulse gun that can produce a painful screaming sound inside a person's head from a long distance away. The inescapable sound, which is inaudible to untargeted bystanders, can be set to irritate, nauseate or even incapacitate people and animals that lie within range. Future applications may include crowd control, military use and even shopping mall security…" http://www.gizmag.com/medusa-microwave-crowd-control-raygun/9605/
In our household, Halloween is the favored holiday -- yet nearly every year, some crisis impairs our festivities. This year was no exception. We were going to spend the night driving around to check out Maryland's spooky spots, of which there are many. In particular, we wanted to seek out the state's fabled paranormal superstar, Goatman.
If you don't know Goatman, think of the Celtic god Cernunnos. Or maybe Pan. Now put a freakin' ax in his hand.
Alas, a financial crisis hit, and we can spend not one dime on frivolity. So now we will stay home, hand out corn sugar confections to rugrats, and laugh at paranormal documentaries.
We especially like the ones where the team of ghostbusters goes out to investigate some scary historic spot -- and never, ever find anything supernatural. Ever. And the folks at home spend the entire show trying to figure who is sleeping with whom on the ghostbusting team.
I was also going to post an arty video of graveyard markers in Baltimore. We have some very elaborate tombstones out here. You'll see the video when it's done.
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We like to visit Atchison kansas wish is considered one of the most haunted cities. They go all out for Halloween -- even the most run down houses are all decked out.
The disaster this weekend makes that impossible. And I'm not sure they'll ever feel the same about Halloween again. The more I see and hear about it, the more horrible it was.
WV, I had to work this year but I deck the house out and we get quite a few trick or treaters. My wife stayed home and passed out candy this year but only a few showed up. Very few, really. I know the churches have all co-opted the holiday around where I live and encouraged people to do their "trick or treating" at the churches on Saturday night.
Plus everything is just so expensive now that many folks just take a pass on it. $50 each on constumes. $200 on decorations. $100 bucks or more on candy. Just to much for average folks.
I have some problems with it -- for one thing, I'm annoyed that the focus is not entirely on ECONOMICS ECONOMICS ECONOMICS. It really is the economy stupid. This is not the time to start talking about gay issues or climate change. It's not that I disagree with Salon's positions, but non-economic statements have no place in a declaration on money and class. Those tumblr photos in which the 99 percenters relate their tales should give us a guide as to what to talk about and what not to talk about.
When it comes to the issue of gay marriage, those within the one percent are probably more tolerant than those within the 99 percent. Therefore, switching the discussion from economics to gays will do nothing to highlight the abuses caused by the one percenters. Talking about gay issues will simply alienate proles who have every financial reason to be on our side. I don't much like that situation, but it is what it is.
Same thing with marijuana legalization: For some absurd reason, polls indicate that, even in liberal California, the majority of the populace prefers to keep weed illegal. Don't ask me why; frankly, I don't care one way or the other. (I do not partake, so this is not really my issue.) Yeah, you can argue that marijuana legalization would have dramatic economic benefits: We could tax the dope and release a whole bunch of prisoners. That'd be fine with me. But apparently it's not fine with the majority of my fellow citizens.
Why alienate potential allies by taking unpopular stances on non-economic issues?
Update: According to the most recent poll, 46% of the nation favors legalization and 50% favors prohibition. Flip those numbers and marijuana becomes a good issue for OWS.
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Gay marriage and legal pot are abhorrent to the Reagan-Democrats. I'm thinking that they are not too keen on the OWS movement, as presented by the print and broadcast media, either.
posted by Mr. Mike : 12:59 PM
Gay marriage is an economic issue. We have no federal social security benefits. We have no way to protect our spouses economically when one of us is a higher earner and might die before our partner. Heterosexuals can choose to marry to protect their spouses. We are deprived of that choice.
Come on. This isn't about wanting to shove my orientation in anybody's face. It's about equal economic rights as a taxpayer. And for those of us who are senior citizens, it's a huge priority. Yes, there are lots and lots of gay seniors.
Stop thinking all gays are 35 year old wealthy men who have nothing more to do than f*** and go to gay bars in Palm Springs. Stop thinking that we just want to wave our flags and force you all to love us.
It's about SOCIAL SECURITY and health care benefits for us. That is what drives our fear and anger over being a marginal group within the 99 percent. Comprende?
posted by Anonymous : 3:15 PM
I think the decriminalization of drugs is key because imprisonment is a huge social problem and we missed our window to revamp the penal system when no one championed the Delahunt - Webb proposals.
But the notion that gay rights deserves its own mention is missing the point and indicative of the short-sightedness of tribal politics. That should be rephrased to incorporate full citizenship and privacy for ALL so that it can include WOMEN, entirely MISSING from special mention tho we're the MAJORITY and treated like 3/5 citizens at best...getting pennies on the dollar for the same work as men and subject to ludicrous and invasive probing into our bodies and UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws restricting what legal procedures we can access that should be a matter between a woman and her physician only.
Those issues are irrelevant to the suffering that is going on in the world. People need to put aside these minor issues and focus on the big picture. Period.
Lacks focus. Why is regulating Wall Street the fourth point on the list? Should be the top. Where's the part about reigning in the campaign finance circus?
Yup, that is a good article by Salon. I must renew my subscription and TIME magazine, now that they discovered that Hillary R. Clinton is SMART...sure took them close to five years to notice what to us was clear as the sky.
Anon: I am sorry to disagree, but you are the one who does not comprehend.
The document in question is in large part addressed TO the one percent. It is ABOUT the one percent. It details injustices perpetrated BY the one percent.
It discusses the one percenters as though they were a separate species. That's what I like about it.
The manifesto begins by focusing on the crimes committed by that small segment of our citizenry. As it goes along, it loses focus.
Whatever problems gay people may have in this society are not caused by the one percenters. As I said, the one percenters are, on gay issues, probably more tolerant and advanced in their thinking than are the lower-downs.
Even the Bushes, I feel sure, privately favor gay equality. If they don't favor it, they are neutral. The one percent cares only about money; they couldn't care less about how people use their genitalia.
Therefore, a document which damns the one percent for their sins must make no mention of gay this or gay that or gay anything. Because the upper classes, though filthy in many other ways, are not filthy in THAT way. Why bring them up on a charge of which they are innocent? Especially when they are truly guilty of so much else.
You, like many liberals, seem to want to compile a laundry list of That Which Is Desirable. No.
No no no no NO.
There are many desirable things which have no bearing on a discussion of upper class oppression of the lower classes. I want a document focused on ECONOMICS, ECONOMICS, ECONOMICS -- and I want to keep the term "economics" at least somewhat narrowly defined. Other worthy causes can be addressed by other movements.
The stupendous debt that's dragging the country over the cliff wasn't all racked up by Wall Street's derivative mongers-turned-bailout-beggars, Joe.
The blame must also fall upon all the put-it-on-the-charge-card wars of the past decade, which have each been (fuzzily) justified by the collossal lie of 9/11.
And the OWS "protestors" haven't let out a peep (hear the crickets chirping) about THAT issue, have they?