Cyclos as a Local Currency.

by: wegerje

Tue May 01, 2012 at 08:22:39 AM CDT


http://project.cyclos.org/

(Lets put this discussion on the front page.)

Cyclos is a mechanism for an alternative currency. You are correct that there is no physical currency, unless you count the north and south divides on the magnetic strip of a piece of plastic card stock. Physical money in circulation is the tip of the iceberg of economic money. Almost all money is in accounts of one sort or another. I invoice you and wait on your check or Paypal addition to my account. Neither of us uses or sees actual "currency". And the amount is very large especially compared to what is in our wallets or pocket at any give time.

So what units of value have you and I exchanged. Typically the unit of value of the society we live in. But every now and then a foreign coin can appear in our change. Typically we treat it as the same value as "our" money. A Canadian quarter will be used just like a U.S. quarter and treated as if it contains the same value.

But that cannot be done at the electronic level. Well, of course it can. When in a foreign country you insert your debit card into a machine and out comes the local currency taken from your account storing your home currency with various fees and exchange rates applied.

Once a currency is established then an exchange rate system will naturally arise. The trick is getting your currency established. To do that you need a community willing to use it. There must be enough people willing to spend it and earn it. I read that the biggest problem with local currencies is that they tend to be easier to earn than to spend. We tend to want to buy physical things with our ephemeral work. And the physical things we want in this case are usually things from foreign economies, in this case the "outside" dollar economy.

But I am imagining a fractional economy. We already have merchants offering a discount to locals who possess a card that identifies them as locals. But what if instead of a discount they offered to allow you to spend some of your local currency on your purchase. 85% dollars and 15% local to buy some object. And what if as an incentive for their clerk who they pay minimum wage, they offered to pay an additional amount in the local currency. $8.50 and hour plus $1 local. You get the idea.

How does one get such a thing started. The same way as the feds do it. You loan it at cheap to zero interest. Or you give it away and tax it back. A government's roll in this is to stir economic activity, especially during a capitalist depression. A government must be prepared to inject in down times and withdraw during "inflationist" times.

Since some "we" are creating this currency then this "we" becomes the government. In this case we might do both give away a starter amount of money to everyone and loan larger amounts to others.

The simple goal is to generate economic activity locally where the federal government, the one that controls the larger economy, is mired in political gridlock and cannot follow the correct economic course of stimulus during a depression and is rather doing just the opposite of austerity which makes it worse.

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Your last paragraph clears up what had been puzzling me: The purpose is to expand the money supply beyond what the feds have been able to accomplish though near-zero interest rates and loan buy-backs. I also see that what you seemed to be saying about physical currency in your first post was the opposite of what you meant. Your point was that replacement of physical currency by credit/debit cards was a good thing because it made it easier to create an alternative money supply.

I'm not so sure that what we buy are mostly physical things. Yes, my household's biggest expense category is food, which is physical by nature. But the biggest part of my personal purchases are books. Which for me, and increasingly for many others, are digital rather than physical objects. Meaning that this doesn't have to be local -- it doesn't matter where the server I download my books from is located. In fact, what you suggest looks a bit like the store credit I get for large orders from Fictionwise.com. There are only two differences, but they are significant: The credit is not transferable and can only be used at Fictionwies.com. Change those two parameters and you have something very similar to what you are suggesting.

Also, a lot of what we buy are services rather than things, and services don't have to be local. I am in a service business (medical writing). My current contract client is in Ann Arbor, working with researchers in Atlanta. And I have previously had clients from Paris to Tokyo. So my point is that speaking of this as a "local" money dramatically misses the point.

I'm not sure whether you literally meant this would get started "the same way the feds do it." The feds establish the dollar as a unit of value by declaring it legal tender in which taxes must be paid. That means people must have dollars in order to pay their taxes. This sort of fiat is not available to non-governments. But the startup mechanisms you suggest are good, given people's interest in participating in an alternative money system.

And yes, it would be reasonable to expect exchange mechanisms to develop. I'm sure that if my Fictionwise.com store credits were transferable I would be able to sell them for US dollars. And Points.com lets you exchange a number of alternative units of value. For example, I can exchange my Starpoints (Sheraton hotels) for American Airlines frequent flier miles. Unfortunately, Points.com offers very poor exchange rates that IMHO makes it a very poor choice for this purpose.

Bill Thomasson

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is what money is nowadays since money has been de-linked from gold.

Once a group of people choose to use a particular money then as soon as they create a sub-group of people to manage or administer the money then that sub-group could declare that administration or management costs should be supported by say and exchange "fee", then viola' a government has been created and taxes levied.

I am not imagining that this local currency would replace national and/or global currencies. Merely supplement them. Perhaps if you had built up a significant surplus of the local currency and you found someone local with the skills to service you that you now purchase globally then you might choose to hire locally.

In any case thanks for causing me to explain myself more fully.

Jeff Wegerson


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