Mitt Romney weighed in yesterday with another riff on my book that bears a bit of scrutiny. Here’s what he said:
A book that was written in a way that’s apparently pro-President Obama, was written by a guy named Noam Scheiber and in this book he says that there was a discussion about the fact that Obamacare would slow down the economic recovery in this country and they knew that before they passed it. But they concluded that we would all forget how long the recovery took once it had happened, so they decided to go ahead. The idea that they knowingly slowed down our recovery in order to put in place Obamacare, which they wanted and they considered historic but the American people did not want or consider historic, is something which I think deserves a lot of explaining…
As Jon Chait points out, this misrepresents my text in a couple of ways, and in slightly different ways than the first time around. First, the book doesn’t say there was a discussion of how the health care bill would hurt the economy when enacted—no one in the administration believed it would. I certainly found no evidence that they discussed this possibility, much less dismissed it. The point I make in the book is that pursuing health care had an opportunity cost: If you throw yourself into a major domestic reform, it’s going to leave you with less time and political resources to fight for more stimulus.
Relatedly, it’s not true that Obama decided to take on health care reform knowing it would slow down the recovery as a result of this lost opportunity. The argument is simply that, at a certain point, Obama spent more time focused on health care than he did worrying about the economy. He didn’t pay enough attention to the risk that he’d badly undershot on the stimulus.
Having said that, Chait goes too far in suggesting the administration wasn’t worried about the link between health care and the recovery. A number of top officials—like Joe Biden, Tim Geithner, David Axelrod, and Christy Romer—either advised Obama to set aside his domestic agenda in order to focus on the economy, or were concerned about what might happen if he didn’t. Several administration aides also acknowledged that health care disrupted some of their plans on the economy by taking so damn long to resolve. Here’s how I reported it in the book:
No administration official, not least the president, ever decided that health care reform would take precedence over the economy. Team Obama simply never imagined itself to be facing such a trade-off. In the master plan Rahm Emanuel had drawn up, the administration would notch its health care victory before Congress adjourned in August, then “pivot” to employment. “We were going to be done, under the plan, by the summer doing health care and energy,” said a White House aide. “Then we’d return to the economy in the fall. That would be highlighting parts of the Recovery Act [aka stimulus] that worked, and it would be discrete proposals . . . to help the economy and jobs.” …
Beginning the week of Labor Day, the White House embarked on the counteroffensive it had always intended to avoid, beginning with a presidential speech before a joint session of Congress. The new push clearly saved reform, which would finally pass the following March. But having bumped the economy off the agenda for the summer, health care would now repeat the feat for the fall. “No one thought we would have to take every element of the administration and dedicate it to health care both publicly and privately,” said the White House aide. “Which is what we ended up having to do [starting in] September.”
Which brings us to what Chait calls the “intellectually interesting” question at the core of this debate: “Did Obama blow it by turning to health care reform rather than passing a second stimulus? That’s the case Noam makes in his book (though it’s primarily a narrative rather than an argument), and has continued to press."
But this oversimplifies things: The point wasn’t that health care reform alone prevented Obama from passing more stimulus. Instead, I argue that health care was one of several reasons Obama did too little. I count at least seven, in rough chronological order:
1. Obama’s top economists held back when advising him how much stimulus the country needed.
2. Obama’s economic and political team thought Democratic leaders in Congress would balk at a bigger stimulus; it turned out those Democratic leaders were open to a few hundred billion dollars more.
3. Obama declined to make a scorched-earth, George W. Bush-style push during the Senate fight over the stimulus. “There were definitely people at the White House who would play ball like that—the Rahm contingent,” a White House aide told me. “But that’s not the president’s style. It’s never how he would do it.”
4. Before and after the stimulus passed, Team Obama touted it as sufficient rather than pointing out its inadequacy and blaming Republicans. This made it hard to come back for more when unemployment kept rising. It looked like Obama had gotten what he wanted and it just hadn’t worked.
5. A widely-cited White House memo projecting that the stimulus would hold unemployment below 8 percent made the stimulus look like a failure when unemployment blew past that figure.
6. Health care reform (and, to some extent, climate-change legislation) had the impact described above.
7. By late 2009, Obama’s economic team stalemated over whether to pursue more stimulus, and what form of stimulus would be best.
And, of course, those are just the factors the administration could control. As Chait points out, there was always the matter of dicey Senate math and public opinion to worry about. I argue that there were ways to overcome these obstacles, but they were certainly huge obstacles.
So, yes, I do think Obama’s focus on health care made it harder to pass more stimulus and, as a result, contributed to a weaker recovery. But these consequences weren’t well-appreciated beforehand, and in any case health care was one of only several reasons the administration came up short.
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Noam, please start following Mitt on the campaign trail so whenever he cites your book you can shout out, "I'm Noam Schieber! You know nothing of my work!"
Noam, please start following Mitt on the campaign trail so whenever he cites your book you can shout out, "I'm Noam Schieber! You know nothing of my work!"
Throw Yglesias into the fray, who argues that Obama could have followed the lead of President Johnson and made Republicans an offer they couldn't refuse (my words, not Yglesias'). I suppose Obama could have offered more tax cuts in return for HCR, but the stimulus already was heavily weighted with tax cuts. Romney's mistatements about what is in Scheiber's book reveal all that one needs to know: Obama's failure wasn't to seek more stimulus, but to present a narrative for economic recovery; there was no narrative, so Romney is (almost) free to create one for him. As for me, I don't believe the HCR detour is why Obama failed to create a narrative for econmic recovery. Why do I say that? B ... view full comment
Throw Yglesias into the fray, who argues that Obama could have followed the lead of President Johnson and made Republicans an offer they couldn't refuse (my words, not Yglesias'). I suppose Obama could have offered more tax cuts in return for HCR, but the stimulus already was heavily weighted with tax cuts. Romney's mistatements about what is in Scheiber's book reveal all that one needs to know: Obama's failure wasn't to seek more stimulus, but to present a narrative for economic recovery; there was no narrative, so Romney is (almost) free to create one for him. As for me, I don't believe the HCR detour is why Obama failed to create a narrative for econmic recovery. Why do I say that? Because Obama hasn't created much of a narrative for anything.
Oops -- I should really know how to spell your name by now.
Oops -- I should really know how to spell your name by now.
Great ... now you guys are fighting, albeit politely, amongst each other. Please find a way to end this now, before we get too close to the election. Like all good progressives, I am all for a healthy debate, but please, let's keep our eye on the prize and not give ammunition to the other side. I am going to leave a similar note for Chait at NY Mag, where I haunt him on a daily basis.
With friends like you guys, Bill Clinton, and Ed Rendell ... :-)
Great ... now you guys are fighting, albeit politely, amongst each other. Please find a way to end this now, before we get too close to the election. Like all good progressives, I am all for a healthy debate, but please, let's keep our eye on the prize and not give ammunition to the other side. I am going to leave a similar note for Chait at NY Mag, where I haunt him on a daily basis.
With friends like you guys, Bill Clinton, and Ed Rendell ... :-)
Actually, it's great that Romney is telling folks about Scheiber ("a guy named Noam Scheiber"). At some point Romney will simply refer to "Scheiber" (rather than "a guy named Noam Scheiber") because everybody will know who he is; Scheiber will have arrived in the big leagues. As for Chait's (and Ygleisas') intra-league contests, there is no such thing as bad publicity, a lesson I learned from a top criminal defense lawyer many years ago.
Actually, it's great that Romney is telling folks about Scheiber ("a guy named Noam Scheiber"). At some point Romney will simply refer to "Scheiber" (rather than "a guy named Noam Scheiber") because everybody will know who he is; Scheiber will have arrived in the big leagues. As for Chait's (and Ygleisas') intra-league contests, there is no such thing as bad publicity, a lesson I learned from a top criminal defense lawyer many years ago.
Rayward, I agree, and I am truly and without sarcasm happy for the name that both Chait and Scheiber are making for themselves in the big leagues ... for chrissakes, Chait was on TV the other day, I just wish it wasn't at the expense of providing talking points for Romney.
Rayward, I agree, and I am truly and without sarcasm happy for the name that both Chait and Scheiber are making for themselves in the big leagues ... for chrissakes, Chait was on TV the other day, I just wish it wasn't at the expense of providing talking points for Romney.
"4. Before and after the stimulus passed, Team Obama touted it as sufficient rather than pointing out its inadequacy and blaming Republicans. This made it hard to come back for more when unemployment kept rising. It looked like Obama had gotten what he wanted and it just hadn’t worked. "
It didn't "look like" BHO got what he wanted and it didn't work. He got what he wanted-- and it didn't work. As for pointing that out ad the other disasterous policy failures of the BHO admin, you all make one of my points over and over again. That is, if BHO wins, it really is four more years of Blue Dog policies prevailing , at best, unless Dems have veto-proof majorities in both houses [Highly unlikely- ... view full comment
"4. Before and after the stimulus passed, Team Obama touted it as sufficient rather than pointing out its inadequacy and blaming Republicans. This made it hard to come back for more when unemployment kept rising. It looked like Obama had gotten what he wanted and it just hadn’t worked. "
It didn't "look like" BHO got what he wanted and it didn't work. He got what he wanted-- and it didn't work. As for pointing that out ad the other disasterous policy failures of the BHO admin, you all make one of my points over and over again. That is, if BHO wins, it really is four more years of Blue Dog policies prevailing , at best, unless Dems have veto-proof majorities in both houses [Highly unlikely-- and not a goal of BHO to date. BHO's goal to date has been about getting BHO re-elected, policies and house majorities are much more minor considerations.] Galston or Kilgore the other day opined that a BHO win would begin major debate/turmoil among Dems. I think that's backward-- it quelches debate. Progressives will be told to shut up-- and almost all will. Just as some as you advocate above.
If BHO loses, a quite-real possibility, that is what will really produce a debate among Dems who will form a circular firing squad. I'd bet heavily on Progressives prevailing in 2014 and especially 2016.
I see no way for Progessives to prevail in 2014 and for years beyond with a BHO win in 2012. What are your winning scenarios??
I actually think that Romney referred to "a guy named Noam Schreiber". Which sounds like Liev and Pablo's not-quite-as-cool younger brother.
I actually think that Romney referred to "a guy named Noam Schreiber". Which sounds like Liev and Pablo's not-quite-as-cool younger brother.
Drofnats, why does it matter whether Dems have "veto-proof majorities in both houses" if Obama is re-elected? Do you really think he is going to threaten a veto of legislation passed by a Democratic House and Senate?
BTW, you're right that election of a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate and retaking the House with a big vote cushion are not major Obama priorities. That's because there about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening this year. Maybe if you read something besides "Democratic Underground" you would know that.
Drofnats, why does it matter whether Dems have "veto-proof majorities in both houses" if Obama is re-elected? Do you really think he is going to threaten a veto of legislation passed by a Democratic House and Senate?
BTW, you're right that election of a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate and retaking the House with a big vote cushion are not major Obama priorities. That's because there about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening this year. Maybe if you read something besides "Democratic Underground" you would know that.
Here's my prediction regarding Scheiber: His potential in this business is unlimited. Why? Two are stronger than one. Timothy Noah and Marjorie Williams, Cokie Roberts and Steve Roberts, Todd Purdum and DeeDee Myers. Noam Scheiber and Amy Sullivan. I hope he stays at TNR, but if the decision is a joint decision, it will be the right decision.
Here's my prediction regarding Scheiber: His potential in this business is unlimited. Why? Two are stronger than one. Timothy Noah and Marjorie Williams, Cokie Roberts and Steve Roberts, Todd Purdum and DeeDee Myers. Noam Scheiber and Amy Sullivan. I hope he stays at TNR, but if the decision is a joint decision, it will be the right decision.
"Noam, please start following Mitt on the campaign trail so whenever he cites your book you can shout out, 'I'm Noam Schieber! You know nothing of my work!'"
Good one Fishpeddler. Someone needs to haunt that lying, manipulative bastard, every step of his way to the presidency (oops, I gave away who I think is going to win in November). Democrats lie and manipulate, but the difference between people is not what they do, but the extent to which they do it. And Republicans are a quantum leap ahead of Democrats in lying and manipulating.
"Noam, please start following Mitt on the campaign trail so whenever he cites your book you can shout out, 'I'm Noam Schieber! You know nothing of my work!'"
Good one Fishpeddler. Someone needs to haunt that lying, manipulative bastard, every step of his way to the presidency (oops, I gave away who I think is going to win in November). Democrats lie and manipulate, but the difference between people is not what they do, but the extent to which they do it. And Republicans are a quantum leap ahead of Democrats in lying and manipulating.