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The BRAD BLOG Informs NBC's Chuck Todd That Ballots Are Not Actually Counted by Humans
Posted By Brad Friedman On 25th August 2010 @ 12:38 In Diebold/Premier, ES&S, Florida, NBC, Election Reform, MSNBC, Hart InterCivic, Sequoia Voting Systems, Arizona, Alaska, Vermont, Election 2010, Dominion Voting | Comments Disabled
We were on the road all day long yesterday, after getting the morning's Green News Report [1]. We finally got off the road and back on the grid as the sun was setting here in the Midwest, and as "results" began coming in from some of the five different states (Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Oklahoma and Vermont) holding primary elections last night.
It seemed a good moment to ask a question on Twitter about what we'd missed so far. In the bargain, we received some interesting Twitter replies from NBC's Chief White House Correspondent and election results guy Chuck Todd [2], in regard to counting ballots and the fact that he (and others) were busy reporting "results" to the world, even as not one single ballot had yet to be counted by any human being in all of the United States by that point.
Here's how some of that conversation on Twitter went...
@TheBradBlog: [3]
@TheBradBlog: [4]
@TheBradBlog: [5]
@shivabeach: [6]
(For those not familiar with Twitter, "RT" means "ReTweet". It's akin to quoting the person you are responding to.)
@TheBradBlog: [7]
@FrancolKU: [8]
@TheBradBlog: [9]
(As Todd had been tweeting various incoming results, we decided to ask him a direct question about them.)
@TheBradBlog: [10]
@TheBradBlog: [11]
@ChuckTodd: [12]
@TheBradBlog: [13]
TheBradBlog: [14]
@sdwinkler: [15]
(And here, just a few minutes later, after receiving SDWinkler's specious, unsupported "myth" tweet, alleging that human counts are not more accurate than machine counts, Todd appears to do a 100% flip-flop on his previous "Great Q" position.)
@ChuckTodd: [16]
(...Before he then asks us the following question.)
@ChuckTodd: [17]
@TheBradBlog: [18]
@TheBradBlog: [19]
(Todd doesn't answer the above. But, if only momentarily, he becomes a bit more careful in his tweets declaring who is reportedly up or down, based on machine counts, in Florida's tight Republican Gubernatorial primary between Rick Scott and Bill McCollumn.)
@ChuckTodd: [20]
(Not long after polls closed in Arizona, former Washington Post, now Slate blogger Dave Weigel, who'd been similarly tweeting unverified, machine-counted "results" previously, gets curious as to why Arizona's numbers --- a state where they've had serious problems with voting machines in the past [21] --- are not coming out fast enough.)
@DaveWeigel: [22]
@TheBradBlog: [23]
(We then go back to tweeting to Todd.)
@TheBradBlog: [24]
(Todd doesn't respond to the above, and his "cautiousness" doesn't last long, as a few minutes later, he tweets the following.)
@ChuckTodd: [25]
(To which we reply...)
@TheBradBlog: [26]
(A very few minutes later, Weigel, who also tweeted AP calling it for Scott, gets irritated at Bill McCollum for not conceding after the Republican Governors Association issues a statement congratulating Scott. That, despite the fact that ZERO votes have actually been counted by any human being in the entire state of Florida, and just a few thousand, unverified, machine-counted votes are said to separate McCollum from Scott.)
@DaveWeigel: [27]
@TheBradBlog: [28]
(Talking Points Memo's Eric Kleefeld makes a wry joke, as he seems to get similarly antsy while waiting for Arizona to report on their unverified, machine-counted "results".)
@EricKleefeld: [29]
@TheBradBlog: [30]
(Hoping to inform Kleefeld, Weigel and Todd about just some of the past problems with machine-counted votes in Arizona, we tweet the following.)
@TheBradBlog: [31]
@TheBradBlog: [33]
(No replies come to the above, before NBC's Todd retweets a report of Arizona's GOP Senate primary "results" to his 57,217 Twitter followers.)
@ChuckTodd: [35]
@TheBradBlog: [36]
At this hour, as we prepare to hit the road again for, largely, the entirety of the day, there remain several high-profile races where the media have not yet been able to declare a "winner". Among them, the five-way race for the Democratic nomination for Governor in Vermont where, as reported by Politico late last night [37],
"140 Vermont towns count their ballots by hand, while 106 towns use optical scanners."
The op-scanners used in most of Vermont were made by Diebold, and are serviced by a less-than-reputable (to say the least) company called LHS Associates. Diebold's op-scanners were infamously hacked in HBO's Emmy-nominated documentary Hacking Democracy [38]. You can watch that landmark hack, which succeeds in flipping the results of an election undetectably (unless someone actually bothers to count the paper ballots by hand), "live" as it happened right here [39].
According to AP [40] a few minutes ago, one candidate in the Vermont race has declared himself the winner, even though the reported results have him just 200 votes ahead of the second place candidate, and a few more than that in front of the third place candidate (who happens to be the Secretary of State).
In Alaska, the incumbent Republican U.S. Senator Lisa Murkowski is said to be "on the ropes" [41] in a surprisingly close primary race against lesser known Joe Miller (who was endorsed by Sarah Palin). Miller is reportedly winning [42] by 1,960 votes out of some 89,000 votes cast as we write this. Those votes were likely "counted" by the state's Diebold optical-scan system. Alaska has featured a number of notoriously questionable elections results over the last few cycles.
The results from some of the rural areas in Alaska where, Anchorage Daily News reports this morning [43], "paper ballots are counted by hand" are not yet included in the reported results. But the final results, they say, "won't be known for over a week. The Alaska Division of Elections said over 16,000 absentee ballots were requested and as of Monday night 7,600 had been returned. The first count of absentees will be next Tuesday and there will be two subsequent counts as the absentee votes trickle in on Sept. 3 and on Sept. 8." Those absentee ballots will most likely be counted by Diebold's hackable paper-based optical-scan systems as well
Whatever Diebold reports those results to be, reporters like Todd, Weigel and Kleefeld will most likely report them uncritically, no matter that it's likely not even one of the ballots will have been examined by hand to assure that Diebold's op-scan systems are "counting" them correctly. Hopefully Murkowski will demand that somebody does so before she concedes the Republican primary race. As always, we're more than happy to offer her advice on how to do that, if she wishes to contact us.
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[1] morning's Green News Report: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8001
[2] Chuck Todd: http://twitter.com/ChuckTodd
[3] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22049031963
[4] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22049122193
[5] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22049188843
[6] @shivabeach:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/shivabeach/status/22049330997
[7] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22049620302
[8] @FrancolKU:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/FrancoIKU/status/22049609246
[9] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22049723000
[10] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22051763901
[11] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22051880412
[12] @ChuckTodd:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/22051915915
[13] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22052108276
[14] TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22052687549
[15] @sdwinkler:: http://twitter.com/sdwinkler/statuses/22052694304
[16] @ChuckTodd:: http://twitter.com/chucktodd/statuses/22052821034
[17] @ChuckTodd:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/22052868288
[18] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22053151352
[19] @TheBradBlog:: http://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/statuses/22053216258
[20] @ChuckTodd:: http://twitter.com/chucktodd/statuses/22052943702
[21] serious problems with voting machines in the past: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7946
[22] @DaveWeigel:: http://twitter.com/daveweigel/statuses/22053540890
[23] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comNope. But Sequoia & Diebold will & all will acc
ept it w/out scrutiny :-( RT @daveweigel: Does AZ plan to count these votes at some point?
[24] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22054416528
[25] @ChuckTodd:: http://twitter.com/chucktodd/statuses/22055031432
[26] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22055619375
[27] @DaveWeigel:: http://twitter.com/daveweigel/statuses/22056021057
[28] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22056193495
[29] @EricKleefeld:: http://twitter.com/EricKleefeld/statuses/22056698460
[30] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22056838434
[31] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22057022676
[32] http://bit.ly/aMC8Xb: http://bit.ly/aMC8Xb
[33] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22057145927
[34] http://bit.ly/aMC8Xb: http://bit.ly/aMC8Xb
[35] @ChuckTodd:: http://twitter.com/chucktodd/statuses/22057126352
[36] @TheBradBlog:: http://www.bradblog.comhttps://twitter.com/TheBradBlog/status/22057308420
[37] reported by Politico late last night: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41438.html
[38] Hacking Democracy: http://HackingDemocracy.com
[39] right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAzCM3OYYc
[40] According to AP: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/25/AR2010082503558.
html
[41] "on the ropes": http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/murkowski-on-the-ropes-in-senate-p
rimary/
[42] reportedly winning: http://www.examiner.com/elections-2010-in-national/alaska-murkowski-trailing-mil
ler-gop-senate-primary-shocker
[43] Anchorage Daily News reports this morning: http://www.adn.com/2010/08/24/1423423/miller-holds-slim-lead-in-early.html
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