One for the dickhead whose comments I deleted.

This person will probably get told off by admin for posting this - as you'll see further down in this message, expressing a negative opinion about anything to do with Netlog or its Admin will get you blocked now.

CrispyREDHOTOREDuck
Saw the whats new on Nettie and their is now a classmate feature.

To be
honest I have not gone in to the programme... BUT,,,,,,,,

is it a good
idea for Nettie when so many members are 'under age'? FRom SAfe Haven RAC etc
the safety on line tips are about limiting info that will make you an ' easy'
target.

I befrieneded someon on here who was at riskl and her school
details were on her prodile. From her photo plus profile info he could have
easilt waited outside the school gates fo her!

Nettie is a community
site and does not have to compete with FReind Reunited! Aftter recent Nettie
poll showing people were scared about paedophiles is the latest Classmate
feature going against on line safety tips and a feature not really required????

Here is a link to the discussion - which Netlog admin will probably kill within 24 hours.

http://en.netlog.com/clan/Netlog/blog/blogID=170720

After all, they would HATE for anyone to have an opinion contrary to their own.

So, in order to preserve it for future generations to see how a social networking site should NOT be administered...

storm_ryderz Trust (6 days ago at 08:04)
classmates feature stinks, its asking for trouble for the underage members, and if im right im sure i read somewhere that online sexual comments aimed at anyone under 18 is not allowed, if anyone could clarify this please do so.

CrispyREDHOTOREDuck Trust (6 days ago at 08:10)
Cheers Kat!!!!! I know where I don't get on much now I can be short and to the point and appear bolshie.... but I think Nettie could be better investing money and time into dealing with keeping their under age members safer on line rather than adding another data collection angle for paedophiles!

smileysoo Trust (5 days ago at 19:08)
I agree with you two ..altho Ive added my school n college on my bit I didnt give a thought about under 18's tbh ...but thats not because I dont care its because I have too much on my mind n in my life to a thought to others right now ....

tomek2006 Trust (5 days ago at 19:19)
I do not agree. Netlog should develop and adding classmates is one of the features that makes the website more versatile. It is just as dangerous as publishing any other data in your profile. Plus, it is not obligatory. Combined with privacy settings I think it is safe.

You forget, you inexperienced little money grubbing idiot - as much as you trumpet the "report abuse" button on every page of the site (which is an outright lie) - you can't report abuse from your own profile and reporting the sorts of comments http://en.netlog.com/gymnasticguy leaves is a convoluted, time consuming and confusing affair. Most adults, let alone kids just can't be bothered. THOSE are the ones who need safety systems put in place that actually work. Just because they're too lazy or too inexperienced to follow your stupid procedures doesn't make them any less deserving of the sorts of protection the site should be offering. Oh HEY!! Don't you imagine for one instant that a SAFER site might be MORE attractive than a site that generates the bulk of its income from sexual predation of minors?

TheWrightStuff Trust (5 days ago at 20:10)
Wow dya know what, now that ive read your blog i totally agree with your comments. At first i thought it was pretty good, but now after reading what you've put i have to agree. For tomek to turn round and not see this well, what can we say, except to say it doesn't surprise me.

The_Great_Writer Trust (5 days ago at 20:35)
mmmm difficult one. It worked on FriendsReunited as I had met my long lost friend on it. They uses the "leaving year" function where you put a date when yoiu had left the school, and you can match who has left, then they will be at the same age. I am unsure it will work on HERE because FriendsReunited has a different purpose and functions than here. However, I don't think its a good idea for classmates functions for the youngers to use, but, if Tomek said that it is not obligatory and combined with privacy settings he think it is safe. Perhaps we can give it a trail basis for 6 months. If it works....keep it, if not..bin it.

You mean, bin it if you can't find kids in your area, Wayne? Scumsucking toerag that you are.

fryboy420247 Trust (5 days ago at 03:01)
used as intended ..good .....as probally seen by those with ill intentions also good -which spells bad ,sadly tho tomek sez "no dangerous than listing anyother data concerning onesself" -bad -alot of people really have no idea that sum things ( especially those that may allow a stalker or a ped to hunt u ) are clues to ur realtime whereabouts and alot of folks have no idea how to keep urself safe on the web and finding out the hard way in this case isnt good at all.... miss storm_ryderz has published some sensible thoughts on how to keep one's self a lil safer on the web - i note that this feature violates most of that common sense ..............

CrispyREDHOTOREDuck Trust (5 days ago at 06:52)
Yes Tomek!!!! Nettie should evolve!!!!!!!!! But it should evolve on what is asked for and what people have concerns about! Was there a poll on a ClassMates feature - no. Was there a poll on online concerns - and was the highest answer paedophiles?

I would like to know the business strategy for Nettie is and what plans it has for expansion/diversification. Us who have left school may want to get back in contact and we use Friends Reunited for that. Those at school - well they know each other....... the danger is they may reveal personal information which along with name, picture etc may put them at higher risk.

Anyone can choose what info they put online. But we have constantly seen examples of young adults putting themselves at risk due to them not thinking how data can be cross matched and accumulated.

I have a good friend on here who was shocked that I was able to tell from her Nettie poprfile and some checks on 192.com to find her address and phone number. She has since modified her profile. Is it all about adding features????????

Or does Nettie have a responsibility in adding features that have inbuilt safety. As an aside can one buy Nettei shares? Cos I would love to buy a few so I have access to Nettie accounts and forward business strategy!

storm_ryderz Trust (5 days ago at 07:23)
tomek as you send a welcome message out to all new memebers now, wouldnt it be an idea to send them the stay safe advice that a few members have said i have on my profile, if you havnt seen it

ADVICE TO STAY SAFE ON ALL CHAT SITES

1 - Remove your email addy, home fone number, school/college attended from your profile page/blog, in fact any information that may give your location away, it is not just for you but your family member’s safety as well.

2 - Do not post your MSN/Yahoo/Email addy in anyone’s guestbook - you don’t know who will see this info and try to make contact with you, Absolutely anyone on site and any anonymous surfers can read this

3 - Never give this information out unless the person is totally trusted. .

4 PLEASE think first before agreeing to cam chat to anyone, you do not know who it is at the other end or if they are taking pictures of you , especially if they say you cant see them coz their webcam is broken.

5 - Do not post any unsuitable pics of yourself, if you are not sure what is acceptable for each site please read the code of conduct

6 - If any adult you do not know regularly visits your page, tries to chat to you about anything rude or indecent or asks for pictures, blacklist them, report them and tell your parents immediately, DO NOT delete any comments left or messages until admin have had a chance to check the report

7 - Change your security settings to friends only/or private, if once you accept friends and find unsuitable information on their page in g.b. comments/blogs, or clans, cancel the friendship immediately, blacklist and report them the site administrators AGAIN DO NOT DELETE until admin have checked.

8 - They may be posing as someone your own age, so be careful, people are not always as they seem. (See points 2/3)

I love you Kath, you rock.

tomek2006 Trust (5 days ago at 08:20)
What about websites devoted to classmates only? Would you like them all blocked? The way you put it must be the ultimate evil.

When you offer kids up as fodder for pedophiles, Tomek, can you think of anything worse?

I know where you are coming from but what about common sense: this message takes more or less the same space as the welcome message that is sent. Would you like to receive such a message when you log in? Another question, have you taken the readability of the message into account? How many people do you think would read this? This is not an attempt to escape from your questions. We try to introduce everything very sensibly.

No you don't. The message you send out to all new users is absolutely shite. Unmitigated commercial spin: PURE BULLSHIT. Build that advice into the welcome message for everyone under 17 years of age Tomek, you coward. We know you're trying to disguise the fact Netlog is just a hive of pedophiles with a few decent people sprinkled here and there. Your way of dealing with those decent people is to argue with them and block them for no reason except some vaguery about abuse or inappropriate behaviour - unspecified of course. Good thing you quoted fry's next message because you deleted the original shortly afterwards. Coward.

tomek2006 Trust (4 days ago at 14:59)
- fryboy420247:- used as intended ..good .....as probally seen by those with ill intentions also good -which spells bad ,sadly tho tomek sez "no dangerous than listing anyother data concerning ones self" -bad -alot of people really have no idea that sum things ( especially those that may allow a stalker or a ped to hunt u ) are clues to ur realtime whereabouts and alot of folks have no idea how to keep urself safe on the web and finding out the hard way in this case isnt good at all.... miss storm_ryderz has published some sensible thoughts on how to keep one's self a lil safer on the web - i note that this feature violates most of that common sense ..............

tomek2006
What about websites devoted to classmates only? Would you like them all blocked? The way you put it must be the ultimate evil.

fryboy420247:
i suppose u could interpret what i said that way if u was a mind too matter of fact u could interpret it many ways ,the ultimate evil will always be ,ignorance......simply not knowing ....i could paint many many scenarios amigo ,good bad beautiful beyond ur worst nightmare , one thing the classmate sites have in their favor is that most link u to no one but ur classmates -everyone else u add or they dont even see ur profile period ,that pretty much says it all no matter how u decide u want to interpert it ....there are no millions of user's scannin the profile at will ,indeed knowledge is the greatest thing ....mix with a bit of common sense ,sadly that lacks -do u think the 15 year old girl postin her pix in her underwear is using common sense when she publishes those foto's here ? but bet ur bottom dollar ignorance is indeed the ultimate evil ....

tomek2006
Here I must say that not all girls add provocative pictures and I would not reckon them to be totally innocent. They surely know what effect this causes and I believe that a lot of them does it deliberately....judging by the letters I receive at the Helpdesk.

- fryboy420247:kids flock to facebook and bebo because it is safer for them -the rippling undercurrent is that netlog is a haven for pedo's ...i didnt put this thought in kid's head,they aint blind they aint stupid ,they maybe ignorant on some things but they are still learning ... and considering who netlog supposedly aims it's self at failing toprotect them now means they wont be here when they get older -that's pretty much basic knowledge ,sum -like hollowinside leave because she was approached by dirty perverts askin for naked pix etc and netlog failed to protect her or even seriously addressed her concerns in the two blogs she wrote in this very clan( along with her reports of abuse ) those two blogs and proof that netlog doesnt protect the teenagers have now been deleted from here -hiding it doesnt make it go away...

CrispyREDHOTOREDuck Trust (yesterday at 01:21)
If it was an adult side I would say all well and good. But Nettie are constantly telling us it is aimed at teens to 21 years old. We respect that. And then a feature that puts them espIecIally at risk despicable AND AGAINsT ALL ON LINE GUIDES FOR ON SITE SAFETY!

Now, http://en.netlog.com/harrylarssonsweden has hit the alarm button and stuck his tongue WAY down the pants of the admins at Netlog in a bid to clear his extremely tarnished name - and has claimed I have been trying to "wreck his life".

All I did was point out in a non-public clan of which he remains a member with his clueless girlfriend that he has 1200 friends in his myspace profile all of whom are between 18 and 25 years of age. Apparently, that was enough for him to be "forced" to make his MySpace private.

That's only the tip of the iceberg of what we know about http://en.netlog.com/harrylarssonsweden

It's the relationship between Harry and Netlog Admin that has us intrigued, frankly.

One of the nicest blokes you could hope to meet has had his account at Netlog blocked for "inappropriate behaviour" "abusive behaviour" and "offensive behaviour" yet not one of those worthless maggots at admin has been able to shed any light on just what messages are deemed to be abusive, inappropriate or offensive.

The answer to that question is: They're pointing the accusatory finger at http://en.netlog.com/harrylarssonsweden


Your Netlog account has been blocked.
Hello j. (scribble,scribble),
Your Netlog account has been blocked by a Netlog moderator.
The moderator gave this reason:
inappropriate behaviour

His answer to admin...


bluntly i was blocked , though the only warnings i had was one long ago (concerning foto's) and a very vague non-descript one the other day( stating that i , had offended someone,not knowing the offense -and not being informed of it -other than the fact that if was some kind of offense ( personal in nature i am assured though of what i have no clue ) my profile wasnt abusive nor was it attacking
people unless they had attacked me first and generally speakin my profile was well liked by the masses,so now please list the offenses of why i was blocked etc and i dont mean by a generic canned reply that only states that offending people is against netlogs code of conduct ,and scince i am blocked please send the reply to my mail address that is on file as it it apparent that i will not be loggi
logging in to my netlog account ,ermm sorry -ex netlog account
sincerly , j. ( fryboy420247)


yesterday at 13:51 ania_jod Hi,
Your account has been blocked because we received several reports on your abusive behaviour on Netlog.


the first was offensive then inappropriate
now abusive
well thanx for the generic and very vague answer that i explicitly asked not to receive considering that i am usually polite to people when they are ( and anyone on my long friend list can verify this ) and that i dont resort to name calling etc and that most people found my profile refreshing in such a veritude of fakes i still have no choice but to wonder what these "alleged abuses" are and
well thanx for the generic and very vague answer that i explicitly asked not to receive considering that i am usually polite to people when they are ( and anyone on my long friend list can verify this ) and that i dont resort to name calling etc and that most people found my profile refreshing in such a veritude of fakes i still have no choice but to wonder what these "alleged abuses" are and if the reports came from the same person or two with nothing but vengeance for some slight or imagined offense ? i recieved one warning that being offensive was against the "coc" but no mention as to how i was being "offensive" or even what the offense was ,sadly also with no idea how to even identify that offense and take the steps to correct it ,so may i please be informed of what that
offense was so that in the future if i chose to come back to netlog ( and netlog lets me ) that i may not be found offensive with out a reason ? because yes i believe that this was indeed a mistake .


ania_jod has sent me : Your account has been reactivated. Please re-
yesterday at 14:49 ania_jod Hi,
Your account has been reactivated. Please re-review the code of conduct to prevent your account from being blocked again in the future.

Notice they have not told him what the offending messages were or where they were posted. I surmise they've got it in for Fry purely on the basis that he's a friend of mine and because I have expressed my distrust and distaste for http://en.netlog.com/harrylarssonsweden and he's sucked up to admin like a nuclear powered hoover, they love him and will protect him.

The fucking sinister maggot has fashioned his Netlog profile to make it look like he's an employee of Netlog, quoting the terms and conditions etc. etc. etc.

Even http://en.netlog.com/tomek2006 had to warn him to clean up his Netlog profile because it was all 13 and 14 year old girls.

The message posted by http://en.netlog.com/tomek2006 in the Pervert Alert clan has mysteriously disappeared.

Netlog is a shithole.

It is dangerous for kids and now that Admin are taking active steps to stop people like me from bringing the truth to light, I have started taking my own to make sure as many people as possible learn the dirty truth about that site.

More Netlog insanity.

From the spastics at Netlog HQ:

New feature: Classmates 27 May 2008 - Miss your classmates? Wonder what they are up to? Netlog now offers you the opportunity to find out! On your profile you can specify the schools you went to. To make it easier to find your classmates, you can search for people from particular schools. What's more, FriendFinder allows you to browse through profiles of users you might know, based on your school and graduation year. Check it out!

EVERY SINGLE KID SAFETY WEBSITE ON THE PLANET RECOMMENDS THAT NO KID ANYWHERE LISTS THEIR SCHOOL.

Now with Netlog's new classmate feature, every pervert in Europe can browse for sexual prey by school, then hunt down kids they like by the dozen or by the hundred, depending on how many kids at one school are members of Netlog.

Let's rewrite the blurb for the new classmates feature to reflect reality shall we?

27 May 2008 - Tired of browsing for sex by individual? Looking for new ways to groom that one particular child? Now, Netlog's new Classmates feature makes it easy to get in touch with the friends of your target and increase your chances of an introduction by proxy. With the Classmates feature, you can ingratiate your way into any peer group from the target area of your choice. What's more, FriendFinder allows you to browse through profiles of kids in your age of attraction based on school and year level. Hunting season is open at Netlog.

It's time to raise this as a specific issue with law enforcement agencies in Europe. That site is a disaster and persists with its policy of serving kids up on a platter without regard at all for the privacy and safety of its users.

More Netlog Admin bullshit too...

I've been accused of stalking. Stalking whom?

Where is the evidence? Stalking, as you well know, is a criminal offence. If you are serious about this accusation, I want the police involved IMMEDIATELY.

Admin's response:

Hi,

The stalked person is thinking of taking the legal action against you. The evidence is in the Netlog clan, in the lines when you call a certain user a weirdo and a homosexual pedophile.

sincerely,
the Netlog Team


So what, I'm in the process of taking legal action against Netlog. Doesn't mean the site gets shut down because I'm telling you about it.

The so called stalked person won't go to the police because he knows he'll end up in prison if he does. The man is a pedophile and Arnold and his mother will back me up on that and so will several other kids.

Let's see now... reinstate the Ratsback profile and I might - just might - consider not taking legal action against Netlog.

Hi,

I have re-reviewed your case. There might be not enough evidence to consider you stalking other users and we are extremely sorry for such not grounded well enough claim.

However, there is explicit proof that you offended other users of Netlog, and the reason for your being blocked has been adjusted accordingly.

Your profile could be reactivated only upon your strong promise not to breach our Code of Conduct, I'm afraid.

sincerely,
the Netlog Team


And to which profile are you referring when you offer to restore it? All I want from it is the evidence contained within.

Hi,

We are talking about the bigjohn92 profile. As for now, I do not offer anything - to be reviewed for the unblocking, we need to see the user's strong promise to improve, which is not the case here.

Here's the evidence for your offending other users: "homosexual pedophile and weirdo". Does that ring a bell to you? You posted such a message on one of Netlog clans.

sincerely,
the Netlog Team

Oh I don't care about the bigjohn92 profile. There's nothing in that which would be of interest to anyone that hasn't been previously stored elsewhere.

And the police file report number for the profile of its former owner who is now using the profile http://en.netlog.com/bigjohnrox is 19375 filed with Australian Crimestoppers last year.

I know there isn't a snowflake's chance in hell of you contacting Australian police to verify that for yourself because that would be tantamount to admitting liability.

As for the weirdo, I also know nobody at admin is about to look at Harry Larsson's MySpace page either so if you can't be bothered to look at the available evidence unless it appears in a helpdesk ticket like this, then I think it's about time you do face a reality check and have external forces pay you a visit - armed to the eyeballs with warrants.

Have an interesting day.

The continuing war with Netlog.

I had my account at Netlog blocked and the clans manager sent me the following email:

Hello Paul Ritchie,

Your Netlog account has been blocked by a Netlog moderator.

The moderator gave this reason:
After numerous incidents and reports from other Netlog users, we have decided that there is a substantial number of evidence that has led us to the conclusion that your account requires blocking. Apart from the major cases of disturbing the public order on the site your inappropriate conduct also includes: -running (in the past) a fake profile of an underage boy the pictures on that profile come from unknown source and they definitely resemble numerous pictures so often reported by yourself -slanderous behaviour towards numerous users of Netlog, -foul language, -publishing false accusations based on assumptions rather than credible evidence -lack of willingness to cooperate with the admin

The correspondence has been flying thick and fast between me and admin because of what's been happening there. It was because of what was going on at Netlog that I made The Daily Rat website which I had to stop doing because some twats were warning the filth we were going after.

http://chatrat.977mb.com is the url.

One they forgot to warn was Darryl Rowe from Adelaide who was arrested in February and has his computer confiscated.

Anyway, the clans manager had this to say in a locked clan at Netlog...

You know that I do not post in this clan, however I feel that you guys should know what I think about some of the issues that have been raised in other blog messages in PA.
Please excuse me writing a separate blog message. I just want to make it very clear to everybody.
All users, who ever took the chance to talk to me, know that I would never use any credentials given to me to log in for some other users. Please do not say that I have the password to any account if you sent it to me totally unprompted. I did not, do not and will not log in for any other users and any accounts other than Tomek2006.
As for the blocking of the account of "Ratsback". I do not want to publish the whole reasoning here as it is of private nature and I am not sure whether the person in question would like everybody to read it or not. I believe that it was well-reasoned and certainly the account had not been blocked for nothing. This person has been acting like the CoC does not apply to him. It might be easier to fight abuse using dirty tricks but this makes it really difficult to tell one apart from a real abuser.

Another important thing I would like everybody to know is that:

I am always happy to talk to you and if you send me a pm there is a big chance that I will respond. Nevertheless, I receive hundreds of messages every day and sending me pms with regard to urgent and abuse-attached issues is not the best way to solve the problem. All of you who ever tried to cooperate with the admin team know that writing the Helpdesk should get you a prompt and helpful response.

I hope that this sheds some light on the whole issue.

To which I responded with:

As for the blocking of the account of "Ratsback". I do not want to publish the whole reasoning here as it is of private nature and I am not sure whether the person in question would like everybody to read it or not.

It is not of a private nature at all and the person in question would be only too pleased to have the reasons published for everyone to see. It is the opinion of the person in question that it is Netlog admin who would prefer to have the whole issue kept quiet.

This person has been acting like the CoC does not apply to him. It might be easier to fight abuse using dirty tricks but this makes it really difficult to tell one apart from a real abuser.

Actually, this person was acting like the CoC does not apply to the administration of this site and numerous examples were posted to confirm that hypothesis. To refresh the memories of those who may be reading this...

From the CoC:
This is the English version of Netlog. To enable moderation, you can post blogs, videos, comments... in English only.

http://en.netlog.com/go/explore/clans/view=popu...-

Furthermore the Terms and Conditions of this website have this to say about membership here:

"Netlog is at liberty to cancel your membership at any time, for any reason and without previous warning."

You, however, keep LYING to us by saying you need proof before you can take any action. Your own terms and conditions CLEARLY STATE OTHERWISE.

Spend just 3 minutes looking through this clan and see if you can justify to the kids here why you blocked Rat for going after someone you yourself consider has no credibility yet all these real criminals are allowed to carry on as if nobody in admin cares how many kids the creeps try to get on webcam.

The following response was posted this morning:

1. Let's not be hypocritical. Go ahead and publish the e-mail you received when I blocked your account under the name Ratsback. I just have ;) I strongly believe that it has strong reasoning and it is just. I don't.

2. Again due to the lack of reasonable arguments you try to use foreign clans. The security of children and clans in languages other than English are two separate issues on Netlog. Show me a clan that is against the CoC that has been reported and was not blocked. If you are going to act like this it is way more destructive than constructive.

3.Indeed such a point exists in the TOS of Netlog. I could possibly enforce this rule on your account. Nevertheless we always try to look for dialog and mutual understanding. When it comes to the parts where you do good you act like you are the most caring person on Netlog, however when it comes to the parts where you act just like a regular abuser, running fake accounts of children, posting slanderous accusations etc..... you simply say that you never said you were nice. Is this consistent?
I am on good terms with so many users who want to fight abuse. I think this is sad that finding a mutual understanding with you seems impossible. I do not think that I am the one to blame for that though.
I think that what I wrote here is a hard nut. Please do not respond before thinking about it seriously. I will not go into a regular argument anyways.

My response to this "shoot the messenger" mentality:

I'm making just one point - and that point is you do NOT have control of the site.

Say what you like about me being inconsistent, abusive or whatever - it doesn't change the fact that you do not have any control over this site. The proof we in this clan offer is not sufficient proof for you. We obviously have different standards.

The further proof I show in support of my assertion that you do not have control of this site is discounted on the base of it not being related to the safety of kids.

I reiterate: You do NOT have control of this site and THAT makes it intrinsically unsafe for kids. Your attitude makes it worse. You are aware you are in breach of U.S. law right now aren't you. That has ramifications for Netlog.

And one more thing: Just exactly what sort of dialogue would you be thinking of entertaining with the sorts of people we name here in this clan?

There is a whole lot more that I've thrown at this person and as I get time, I'll post it.