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Oct 3, 2023

religious discord

Sad story of religious discord causing marital discord as reported by Actualic.

A couple has been married for 7 years They originally married as secular Jews with a Jewish wedding ceremony. The husband was an air force pilot and after he finished his regular service he started to show interest in religion - he started off with putting on tefillin regularly and eventually increased his adherence to shabbos, kashrus, and more.

The wife, a special ed teacher, claims he is reigning terror in the house with his religious demands. He denies it saying that demanding their child wash netilat yadayim in the morning or that he make blessings on his food is not terror. Demanding they keep shabbos or that they get rid of the destructive televisions form the house is not abuse or terror.

Husband claims their wedding was not even valid because while they were up there getting married and making brachas they were serving not kosher food to their friends.

He wants to get divorced or have the marriage canceled without having to pay her the ketuba or anything else.

Wife claims that the wedding was fine, the rav officiated at the ceremony knowing what was going on around them in the hall and the wedding itself was kosher. Not just that, they had an agreement from when he started to show interest in religion that he would keep it to himself and she would not bother him or prevent him from his religious interests, while he would not make demands of her and their child. She says he is now making demands in the house to have separate dishes for milk and meat and that she cant drive on Shabbos and must keep shabbos completely, etc. She says she is willing to be respectful in the house of his needs but she wants to continue driving on Shabbos with the child to go to the beach and to turn on lights, etc. 

This is a tough situation and it is a shame that this is how it is turning out. Some people in these situations do work out a system of mutual respect based on their love for each other and find ways to continue to be happily married while respecting each other's needs. It certainly seems reasonable that it wont always work out for the best and his conviction to his religious needs, which sound like they might not be guided by rabbinic counsel all the time, might impede his continuing his relationship with his wife who is not interested in all that, and divorce could be a reasonable solution, unfortunately. That being said, he seems to be getting nasty about it. If he wants to move on because of his religious growth, just say so, pay her what is owed via divorce and stop trying to turn it all into her fault - he changed, not her.



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Jul 18, 2022

she left Biden hanging

Last week when President Biden was in town for his visit, President Herzog hosted an event in his honor. At the event, Ran Danker and Yuval Dayan sang a rendition of Naomi Shemer's song Lu Yehi, which is also some sort of mashup with the Beatles song Let It Be.

It was a beautiful rendition and it looks like it was a lovely celebration overall. What happened at the end of the song has become a talking point across Israel over the past few days, though by now most have already moved on to other things.

Here is the clip (Three Weeks music warning, for those who need it):



As you can see at the end of the clip, a very pleased Joe Biden gets up to than the singers and extends his hand for a shake. Danker steps up and shakes while Dayan bows in thanks but does not shake Biden's hand. Some words are exchanged, words that we cannot hear, and everyone moves on with their lives.

This created quite a stir. People were shocked and even angry at the gall of Yuval Dayan leaving the President high and dry, leaving him hanging. 

It is well known across Israel that Yuval Dayan has been in a process of becoming more religious and taking on more  religious behaviors and rules ever since 2016. A while back Dayan said she will no longer shake hands with men, or hug, as she is now shomeret negiya.

So, despite the fact that Dayan just sang in front of a bunch of people, both men and women, both Jews and non-Jews, she is shomeret negiya and not necessarily careful about singing in front of men, so she sang but did not shake. Plenty of people who become religious do it slowly, taking on more things over time as they get comfortable. She is comfortable now with singing and not shaking hands. That is where she is at, and she acted consistently with her beliefs and commitments at this point.


People got very upset at her. First, she is allowed to shake, it is not sexual (though with Biden one never knows), and leaving him hanging is very embarrassing. Second, she is a hypocrite claiming religion when she just sang - if she is so religious and so committed she should have passed on the event and let someone else sing, but if she can sing she can shake.

As mentioned, that is not how it works. Besides the technical details that the problem is not hers but the men listening to her, and she might have a hetter for parnassa, if she wanted one - besides for all that - she has not taken that on yet. at this point in her life she is not yet comfortable giving up singing publicly, even though she has given up shaking and hugging men. That is not hypocritical, it is just where she is at right now.

Even without the singing, people were still critical for leaving Biden hanging. Malbin panav, and all that. Yuval Dayan posted an explanation online that she had told the Americans several times in advance that she would not shake hands or hug or touch in any way with any men, and she confirmed multiple times that this would be ok. Ran Danker posted confirming this from his side of the events. Biden forgot, or got swept up in the moment. While I personally would have shaked hands, Dayan did everything possible to avoid the situation and cannot be blamed for refusing and leaving Biden hanging, even if she could have shaken hands halachically had she wanted to. Also, if you watch the video, the entire moment was graceful, with Danker stepping forward and Dayan bowing slightly, and I dont think anyone was embarrassed by the gaffe. I did see some funny comments such as even if Biden was embarrassed, he forgot about it moments later, and another that Biden is so used to shaking hands with nobody but the air that he probably didnt even notice.

Interestingly, the initial instructions of the entire trip, from the Americans, was that Biden would not shake hands with anyone. That is why in the initial ceremony we saw him fist bumping everyone. Biden is old enough that they were concerned about COVID-19 issues and wanted to minimize contact. Biden went off script several times, at Yad Vashem with the survivors, and then some more at other events, but the Americans didnt want him shaking hands either.

the Dayan incident made me think back to Rivka Ravitz - Chief of Staff for President Reuven Rivlin, a Haredi mother of 12 (IIRC) who also refused to shake hands when meeting dignitaries including Prince William and even Joe Biden himself. She did not sing in front of them either, but still, this is not new, though maybe people are more forgiving of Ravitz being that she lives a Haredi lifestyle whereas Dayan was just singing in front of men but then would not shake.

And lastly, of my thoughts at least, nowadays if there is anything that came out of the #metoo movement it is that every person, especially women, decide for themselves when to touch and when to allow to be touched by, any other person. Nobody can decide for anybody else that they must touch someone or be touched by someone.

Yuval Dayan did nothing wrong and everything right. Good for her.



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Oct 10, 2021

Proposed Law: benefits package for baalei teshiva

MK Meir Porush (UTJ) recently proposed a law that would have the government provide a benefits package to individuals who become religious, chozrim bteshuva. 

the idea is simple - similar to the way that the government gives benefits packages to new immigrants and to others to help them out when they are making a new start in Israel with few contacts and resources to fall back on and little or no family to lean on, Porush is proposing that secular Israelis who become frum are making a similar start and have often left the embrace of their families and may have nobody to lean on for support and assistance. Porush thinks the government should help chozrim bteshuva just like it supports some others starting off on their own.

there are definitely some, maybe even many, extreme in which a chozer bteshuva is doing it all alone, with his or her family providing nothing but rejection, leaving his circle of friends and having no resources, but plenty (and no, I dont know numbers) become religious without giving up, or being rejected by, their families and friends. I am not sure the new beginning with no resources or support is quite the same for most people becoming frum. Additionally, a secular Israeli becoming frum generally has an education and job or a business - it is not like someone moving to a new country that has to learn a new language and look for a job, along with making new friends and social circles.

Regardless, today, Arik Bender of Maariv just reported, the Knesset Committee for Legislation just voted down this proposal. 

I remember a little while back someone proposed a similar law that would grant these benefits to people becoming not religious - chozrim bsheilah. I dont know what ever happened to that proposal.




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May 31, 2021

Proposed Law: kiruv organizations and children

MK Tamar Zandberg (Meretz) has proposed a law that would make it illegal to target children in kiruv efforts. Anyone doing so would be liable to up to 6 months of prison.

Zandberg points to organizations like Chabad, Hidabroot and Lev L'Achim saying they and others target children in their efforts to bring them to do tshuva. 

source: Hamechadesh

I dont think any laws can be passed right now so it seems this will first depend on whether or not the "change government" is actually formed, and then it will next depend on whether Bennett does not veto this. He has been trying to do as much as possible to act as if he will take care of Haredi concerns and even leave a spot for them should they decide to join the government later. he might use his power to thwart this on their behalf.

I am not opposed to such a law in theory though. children should be off limits. Let parents raise their kids how they want. Parents should not have to worry about other people and organizations undermining their efforts. Once they are adults you can approach them with Judaism, or even as children with parental consent. Frum parents would not want secular organizations approaching their kids and putting ideas into their heads, so let the secular people raise their children the way they want as well. 

That being said, I am not sure 6 months of prison is the right punishment. It sounds kind of harsh for talking Judaism. 





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Feb 15, 2021

Haredi prisoners must have good behavior

Gonen Segev is a former MK and Minister of the Israel government. Segev has been involved in numerous criminal activities, including being convicted in 2019 for spying for Iran. 

Segev claims that about a year and a half ago he started becoming frum, a baal tshuva - including performing mitzvos and learning with the rav of the prison.

However, Segev claims, petitioning the courts, despite having been granted permission to receive Badatz food, after a long process of requests, shortly after the permission was granted it was retracted. Segev complains that he does not understand why he has been denied the request, as the food he is requesting is not better quality than the standard food.  


The State and Prison Services response is that there is no need for the special Badatz foods, as the food supplied by the prison kitchen is all mehadrin already. They decided mehadrin is enough for Segev and he does not need Badatz, as they see he leads a religious life but not a Haredi lifestyle. They say that Segev himself has said he is not Haredi and he also said he does not really know the differences between the different hechsherim - because he takes out certain books form the prison library that are clearly not appropriate for Haredim, they have determined that he does not meet the qualifications and is not considered Haredi to be able to qualify for the Badatz food. Also, his behavior is not exemplary as he has disciplinary issues conflicting with his claims of leading a religious lifestyle. They say he should not have been granted the permission for the Badatz food and it was mistaken.

Segev responds that all those issues were old news, and no longer relevant, and now after the permission was granted he does not know why it was retracted as nothing has happened since then to make him not deserve it.

The judge ruled in Segev's favor that he should be granted the Badatz food as requested. The judge decided that the prison service has to supply the food to prisoners that meet certain criteria. Even though Segev doesn't meet the criteria 100%, due to some unclarity the application is unfair and the disciplinary issues were all old.

Basically, the judge decided Ronen Segev is Haredi enough to get Badatz food in prison
source: Haredim10

Sounds like a weird process. And the judge gets to determine who is Haredi and who is not. Nowadays I thought we each get to define ourselves in whatever way we self-identify. This is very not politically correct. Maybe prisoner benefits should be determined the same way social benefits are determined. How is one determined to be Haredi or Dati or Chiloni in general society for benefits and affirmative action and stipends and scholarships and whatnot? usually it is determined based on what schools the person went to. Sometimes it is not fair as a person might have gone to a school that no longer defines him by association, but that is how it usually works.

I am impressed though that a Haredi lifestyle in prison is determined, at least in part, by no disciplinary infractions. Good behavior is expected, or is part and parcel, of someone claiming to be Haredi.









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Jun 24, 2020

Ofer Levi wants his fans to dress modestly at his concerts

According to Haredim10, performer Ofer Levi has publicized a post asking women who come to his concerts to come dressed modestly. Levi says that this is a personal request and he would appreciate if people respond positively as he wants to feel comfortable and eb able to give his all at his performances.

Levi explained in an interview that he is disgusted by pritzus. It is chilul kodesh and he cant look at such women. Levi says that for 26 years he has been doing teshuva with ups and downs, but int he past two and a half years he has gotten much stronger and frummer and is now very careful about lashon hara, guarding his eyes and not touching women. he says that when he stands on stage and sings with full intent of the song to be holy and in front of him are immodest women, he just can't.

According to the article, his fans are upset about the request.

To start, I looked for the post on his official Facebook page but could not find it. Maybe he removed it due to the backlash from his fans, or maybe it is on a different page I did not find.

Next, scrolling through his page, he publicizes a lot of concerts on the beach or near the beach. While maybe at a stadium or concert hall the request is more reasonable, but if he is performing at a beach, I am not sure what he expects from his secular audience. And if he is serious about his request, perhaps he should change the venue and perform less, or not at all, at places that are conducive for less modestly dressed women to attend.

And lastly, good for him. I am happy he is doing what he feels is right and is sensitive to things that disturb that - but instead of asking others to change, perhaps he should look for a different audience now that he is frum and "mitchazek" with sensitivities such as those that he has.



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Oct 7, 2019

can man forgive a sin against God?

The following is a notice that was posted in the Ashdod area by two people who ran a pub which was open on shabbat in the years 1993-1994. They're asking their customers' forgiveness that they caused public chilul shabbos.





It is a nice expression of remorse, but for the sin of chilul shabbos they need to ask God for forgiveness, not people. Residents who had their shabbos disturbed should be asked to forgive the disturbance, but we do not stand judgement for our sins before people, but before God. Still, it is a touching gesture.



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Jan 25, 2017

Proposed Law: bituach leumi exemptions for baalei tshuva

MK Yisrael Eichler (UTJ) has proposed law that is almost a copy, with slight, but major, changes, of another law proposal on the docket.

MK Miki Levi (Yesh Atid) has a law proposal on the docket that would exempt people leaving the frum community and becoming secular, aka in Israel "chozrim b'shailah", from paying the monthly fee to Bituach Leumi because of the difficult financial situation they experience throughout the process.

According to Eichler, those who are "Chozrim b'tshuva", secular people joining the frum community, also suffer from financial difficulties, and should also be exempt from the Bituach Leumi payments.

Eichler took Levi's proposal and copied it word for word, changing only the words "chozrim b'shailah" to "chozrim b'tshuva", and submitted it.

Eichler explains that baalei tshuva suffer from financial difficulties as they have trouble finding employment and have trouble learning vocations while going through the sharp change in lifestyle, along with the dramatic differential in knowledge and lifestyle acclimation. Exempting them from the Bituach Leumi payments  will help them integrate into their new society and help them overcome their difficulties.
source: Behadrei

Good idea. I like it. If one gets it, the other should as well. Though I dont know why either side should get it. Maybe an arnona discount, or a small tax break, but why Bituach Leumi?

I don't see the exemption, for either side, defined by any limits. Or by definition. What constitutes a baal tshuva that would qualify - someone who goes to a few classes can apply for the exemption? Do you need a note from a rabbi that you have kept shabbat and kashrut for 6 months to get the exemption? Do you need to be registered in a yeshiva? What is considered a baal tshuva? And, can Baalei tshuva who have already been frum for 10 years, or 3 years, or 25 years, or 1 year, qualify for it? and someone who becomes frum the day of the passing of the law - does he or she get the exemption for 1 year, for 10 years or for 25 years?

and the same questions apply for Miki Levi's law - do chozrim bsheilah get the exemption just by saying they are no longer frum? Do they need a letter from a community leader saying they have been witnessed driving on Shabbat and eating shrimp? Do they get the exemptions for 1 year, 10 years or 25 years? etc.

Work out all those details and then it seems like a good idea...

or don't pass either law.







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Dec 22, 2015

4 television celebs that became religious (video)

interesting.. some are calling this an emerging trend among the celeb scene..




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Mar 4, 2013

Will Aviv Gefen become religious?

The title of this post "Will Aviv Gefen become religious?" is really the paraphrased title of the article in Maariv-NRG (the original reads "Is Aviv Gefen Searching for repentance?").

Gefen says a nice thing about religion, and suddenly he is on the path to teshuva. One can only hope, but I doubt it is that simple.

What happened?

Surely you must remember the performance by Ophi Ben-Sheetrit on Israel's musical reality TV show The Voice. Her performance came under heavy criticism, as a religious girl singing in public, received a suspension from her religious school, and having chosen Aviv Gefen as her mentor.

Well, Ben-Sheetrit and Gefen have begun working together. Gefen went down to Ben-Sheetrit's community of Nir Galim and met with her in the community shul. Upon entering, Gefen requested a kipa for his head.

While working with Ben-Sheetrit, Gefen is quoted as having said things like his being jealous of her and of people who believe.. Gefen also said that he is waiting to be enlightened and does not know why it has not yet happened to him, why he has not come to such an understanding and faith.

Perhaps it will come to him one day. Perhaps working with Ben-Sheetrit, a religious young woman, on music and song, something emotional and dear to them both, might be the trigger that provides the enlightenment Gefen is waiting for. I don't know, and I don't know if that will justify her actions (to those who disapprove of them). It definitely raises the question of how much one should risk, or even give up, for the objective of kiruv of others.

I just found this video online of the meeting..




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Jun 15, 2011

Interesting Psak: Drawing Blood To Cover Up

An interesting question was presented to Rav Yitzchak Zilbershtein, rav of Ramat Elchonon of Bnei Braq and son-in-law of Rav Elyashiv.

The coordinator of a midrasha asked Rav Zilbershtein regarding a student who is becoming more religious. She wants to begin dressing more modestly, but is unable to due to increasing pressure from her parents who are not religious. She, as she became more religious, got accepted to the religious school, and altered her dress appropriately. her parents are rejecting it, and insist she return to dressing as she did before, as a secular Jew.

The coordinator than asked, the girl had come up with the idea that she should injure herself in her leg (I assume she means she should cause unsightly gashes), and therefore she would be able to tell her parents that she must wear skirts in order to cover up the injuries. The question is, is that a solution - would she be allowed to injure herself like that for this purpose?

I am not really sure how such a plan helps, as she would be able to avoid, for a while, until the injuries would heal, wearing shorts, but she could just as easily wear pants to cover the injuries as she could wear skirts, and her parents might insist on that.

Rav Zilbershtein responded that yes, she could injure herslef with the objective of being able to dress modestly. He praised her for her dedication and for her very difficult decision and transition, and said that the blood from her injuries would be a source of kapara for the nation of Israel, just like the blood of the korban olah and chatas.. (source: Mynet)

Dec 28, 2010

Which Is Worse - Secular Anti-Haredi Discrimination Or Haredi Anti-Haredi Discrimination?

There was a fascinating article in this past week's Mishpacha Magazine (Hebrew edition). The article was about a family, baalei teshuva, who have been thrown out of their house twice already and are now being evicted for a third time. And the reason is because of anti-haredi discrimination.

To be brief, the Becher family of Ramot HaSharon have been discriminated against by the local residents simply because they have become Haredi. And they are not strangers to Ramot HaSharon, as Mrs. Becher is a fourth generation member of the yishuv. Her great grandfather was one of the founders, as much of the town was built on his land. Her grandparents lived there as did her parents. They did as well before spending time away, and now they wish to move back.

The Bechers are now being evicted from their third house, as the locals pressure the owners to evict them and try to find every way to make their lives difficult, filing complaints against the minyan they started and the like.

The discrimination is really troubling, and their story was a bit wrenching, and fascinating at the same time.

Besides for the point of the article, which was that the anti-haredi discrimination happens fairly regularly around the country yet nobody stands up against it the way they stood up against the Rabbis letter about not renting to Arabs and other similar anti-Arab discrimination, there was another point that was mentioned in passing that bothered me.

At the end of the article describing the situation, the author interviewed Mr. Becher about what is going on, asking a few questions. The first question asked was what does he need this for? Why continue fighting to stay in Ramot HaSharon? Why not just pack up and move to one of the many haredi neighborhoods or cities?

Becher answered that the haredi community is very not accepting of baalei tshuva. Even if they could move to Bnei Braq or the like and succeed in acclimating, their students they have developed over the years who would follow them would not succeed in a haredi area because they would be rejected by the schools and community. The interviewer then moved on to some other questions.

Do you get it? In the same article describing how the anti-haredi discrimination is so bad, they mention in passing that the haredi community discriminates against these haredim as well. How can you get so upset about secular anti-haredi discrimination when the haredi anti-haredi discrimination is just as bad, or worse (because in such a community these people would expect to be welcomed, rather than isolated)?

Feb 24, 2010

Computer Smashing Ceremony (video)

While Rabbi Findler is busy smashing computers in his baal teshuva yeshiva, teaching his students a level way to the extreme of society, his students are busy uploading the video to Youtube, pretty much rendering his hands-on lesson moot...

Jan 11, 2010

The profile of the Serial Divorcer

Everything you wanted to know, or not know, about the serial divorcer...

Last week this guy broke out into the news with the announcement that he had applied for his 11th divorce and was already looking for his next wife... By the way, he says the information is incorrect and he has only divorced 9 times..

I don't have time to translate the article, but here is everything you wanted to know about Shmuel Solomon, the Serial Divorcer.

I will note that he claims to be a good guy who treats the women well, which is why they keep agreeing to marry him.. He is a baal tshuva and says about himself "It seems that despite it all there is something special about me. I am not ugly, I am an interesting person who knows how to make a woman happy - with both meanings of the phrase. I can dance, sing, joke, tell stories. I come from the hiloni world, and I know it and talk with the general culture alongside Jewish knowledge. Unfortunately, I chose women who "couldn't deliver the merchandise" and didn't know how to value that and my specialness. At the end of the day, you won't find many like me..."

For the rest, you have to read the original...

(cheesy photo by Tal Badrak taken from article on mynet)

Feb 16, 2009

interview with a former male model (video)

This is a fascinating interview (in Hebrew)... It is with a guy who grew up religious (national religious), became not religious, became a successful male model, went to an elite combat unit in the IDF, had a successul career as a model, and is now religious again (haredi - chassidic this time)...


Jul 1, 2007

new criteria for "Who is a Jew": chulent

The Mishpacha (Hebrew) newspaper had a fairly shocking story this week. You will not believe it to be true..

I will translate it here to English. If you wish to see the original, bluke scanned it and commented on it.

In a baal teshuva yeshiva there was a student who has been learning there for the past 2 years, who came from a country with a mass aliya. This student has "strengthened himself" [i.e. become religious] and has been keeping all of the mitzvos. Over a recent shabbos he was a guest at the home of one of the married kollel students.

The avreich realized the student despised the chulent and could not even taste a little bit of it. He remembered the words of the Rishonim, that someone who does not eat hot food on shabbos [day] needs to be investigated to see whether he might be a heretic (source: the Baal HaMaor).
In addition, he realized that the student did not shuckle/sway when he prayed, and this too is brought down (in the Zohar) as being a custom of Jews.

Since he realized that this student came from a neglected country {i.e. ostensibly Eastern European, but it does not specify] , he connected the dots and decided that according to halacha this student was likely not a Jew.
Attempts to investigate the background of the student revealed nothing conclusive, so the avreich, at the behest of the student, approached Rav Elyashiv with the situation and asked what to do.

Rav Elyashiv answered that the student must go through a conversion as a stringency [because of the chance he might not be jewish]. However any wine he might have handled is not to be considered "yayin nesech" [wine handled by a non Jew which may not be imbibed by a Jew], as the student behaved like a Jew and considered himself a Jew the whole time, and it is only a "safek" that he might not be a Jew [so the issue of yayin nesech does not apply].

As I said, you would not believe it. So now we are deciding whether or not a person is Jewish by whether or not he likes chulent and whether or not he shuckles during shmoneh esrei.

Soon we might have measurements for how much of a sway is called a sway. The meikil opinion will say something like a sway of 7 centimeters is ok and the most machmir opinion will say probably a minimum sway of 11 centimeters.

And then there will be a debate what is called chulent. What if you make your chulent without barley? And if you use chicken instead of beef?

I took out my shulchan aruch and looked up the halacha. At the end of Siman 257 the Rama mentions the issue quoted from the Baal Hamaor in the story. He says that one who does not eat "chamin" - hot foods, but this word is used in modern day Hebrew to mean chulent, one is suspect of being an apikorus.

According to the commentaries and the explanations, the issue is not if one does like hot food/chulent. Rather, it is if one refuses to eat it becaus ehe is of the opinion that one is not allowed to heat up food on shabbos, using the method we consider permitted. The heretics held to the literal meaning of verses and decided that one could not heat up food at all on shabbos, while we are of the opinion that there are certain methods in which heating up food is allowed. One who refuses to eat hot foods on shabbos is suspect of being a heretic.

And before I continue, let me just say before some people jump down my throat, that I am sure Rav Elyashiv knows that section of shulchan aruch at least as well as me, if not 500 times better (though one does not need to be the gadol hador to quote a siman in shulchan aruch).

The halacha does not say one has to eat chulent. It talks about hot foods. Had they offered this student hot soup maybe he would have accepted. Had they offered hot shnitzel maybe he would have devoured it. According to the reported story, they offered him a food that he did not like.

As a matter of fact, and this might solidify my standing in the minds of some of you, we often in the summer shabboses do not have chulent. I have not made chulent for three weeks in a row now. It is just too hot for chulent in my opinion. Does that mean we might not be Jewish? Does it matter that we have hot soup for lunch? (hot soup is better than chulent because, even though it is hot, it is a lighter meal.)

As well, it does not say that one who does not eat hot food might be a gentile. It says he might be an apikorus. An apikorus is generally a Jew. A Jew does not need to go through conversion when he becomes religious.

It is possible that this student, who clearly grew up non-religious in a completely non-religious and even ostensibly a non-Jewish environment, did not like chulent because he did not grow up with it culturally.
So all of the sudden he is exposed to a new food he has never seen before, and chulent by any description is not a pretty food, he is turned off by it and refuses to eat it, and his Jewishness is suspect?

As well, maybe that avreich just made a horrible chulent!! I wonder if they tried to serve him different chulent recipes and he had to reject each one before they decided he was not a Jew. Or did he just not like this one chulent and that was enough to seal the deal?

As well, there are many people who do not sway when davening. Many German Jews do not. Bluke reports that Rav Moshe Feinstein was famous for not swaying when he davened.

These are ridiculous criteria to use to decide whether or not someone is Jewish.

That being said, my only conclusion can be that the newspaper got the story wrong. Completely wrong, I mean. Not just the "inaccurate details wrong" as in all newspaper articles, but completely wrong.

They must have been missing a major detail. There must have been another reason to suspect his background. I do not believe Rav Elyashiv bases geirus on someones like or dislike of chulent.

Apr 12, 2007

why a BT would change?

What would you do if you found out you were not Jewish?

If you were suddenly told that you were adopted as a child, a non-Jewish child, and converted to Judaism, you are given a choice whether to accept that original conversion performed in your youth or to reject it and live on as a non-Jew. What would you do?

It happened to someone my wife knew a long time ago and she (17 years old at the time) decided to reject the conversion and live as a non-Jew.

I never really understood why people convert to Judaism. People can continue to live their lives as gentiles and still live meaningful lives. They can change their ways and habits if they are unhappy with the circumstances within which they find themselves. They can change all sorts of things, but to change and convert to Judaism is something I never really understood. Of course there are exceptions where someone is specifically drawn to Judaism and then it seems like an obvious change, but that is not usually the case, especially in today's world of assimilation and intermarriage. The Baleboostah wrote a nice write-up a while back about why she and her family are converting to Judaism and I wonder whether most converts have similar reasons.

I do not know what I would do in that case. A non-Jew could be a wonderful person and righteous and merit a portion in The World to Come, all without converting to Judaism. And he would do that without all the restrictions Judaism would place on him as a convert, let alone the societal (not necessarily halachic) restrictions.

The situation is different, I think, with Baalei T'shuva. Hirshel wrote about how he does not understand why people become frum and how many more are leaving the path than those joining (I am not familiar with the statistics so I do not know if that is accurate or not).

Hirshel is getting a lot of flak because people misunderstood his point. People think he is saying that living a frum lifestyle is not worthwhile or valid. That is not what he meant and while I do not agree with his conclusions, I understand his point.

I think I understand the Baal T'shuva better than I do the convert because the Baa' T'shuva is already Jewish. The Baal T'shuva sees religion as the correct path within Judaism and has decided that he wants to live according to the correct path. It will not be easy making the change, but he is willing to go through the hardships in order to be honest with himself and his beliefs.

I would wish that our society would be more open and accepting of Baalei T'shuva than it currently is. There are countless stories of schools that refuse entry to children of Baalei T'shuva and the like. We seem to want people to become Baalei T'shuva but then don't want to associate with them once they do.

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