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August
27, 2003
An Interview with
Tariq Ali
The
War is Not Going Well for Bush
By DAVE RILEY
Tariq Ali is an editor of New Left
Review and the author of The
Clash of Fundamentalisms
and the forthcoming, Bush
in Babylon.
Riley: How would you contrast the
Vietnam anti-war movement of the 1960s with the movement against
the US war on Iraq today?
Ali: The anti-war movement of the 1960s
was not simply an anti-war movement. It was also a movement that
wanted victory for one side, that wanted the Vietnamese to win.
So that gave it extra zest. People knew which side they were
on. It was ultra-radical for that reason.
The anti-war movement that erupted before
the Iraq war was certainly broader and much larger. You can put
all the Vietnam demonstrations together and add them up and,
globally, it was 100 times larger. But, this was not a movement
supporting one side -- because no-one in the anti-war movement
supported Saddam Hussein -- it was rather a movement trying to
stop a war that many people believed was completely unjustified.
And not just unjustified, but the reasons
for it were kept completely hidden from public view by the US
and British governments. It wasn't about weapons of mass destruction.
It was about capturing an oil-producing country with a regime
that was very hostile to Israel, which
was giving money to the Palestinians. These were the reasons
for that war -- apart from being a way of showing just what imperial
power is and what it can do.
People felt they were being lied to.
They were not happy about this war. They felt it was irrational.
That explains the size of the mobilisations. It brought out large
numbers of people who were not usually political.
Riley: Does this indicate that, over
the last 30 years, the "Vietnam syndrome" has remained
a powerful force?
Ali: The reason why it is such a force
is that the Vietnamese people inflicted a defeat on the US. Fifty-thousand
US soldiers died in that war. The Americans could not maintain
their hold on that country and were forced to withdraw as a result
of the combination of Vietnamese military successes and the fact
that the anti-war movement had spread into the US army itself.
GIs opposed to the war organised large demonstrations of GIs
outside the Pentagon and this scared the living daylights out
of them.
Riley: How do you assess the receding
of the anti-war movement in the period after the invasion of
Iraq?
Ali: I think people really believed they
could stop the war. And when they found they couldn't, it demoralised
large numbers of them. Lots of people have said to me, "What's
the point of demonstrating if it changes nothing". I tried
to say nicely: "Look, they are going to make this war, and
we need to be mobilising once the war starts and once it goes
on". But lots of people felt that by demonstrating and by
coming out in large numbers they would stop the war.
Riley: If people were saying that
troops were withdrawn from Vietnam because of the mass anti-war
movement, does that mean that they misread the history of the
Vietnam War?
Ali: To say that the US war against Vietnam
was bought to an end because of the [Western] anti-war movement
is wrong. It was because the Vietnamese people had been resisting
three big empires for a long, long time and everyone knew the
history of that struggle. Partially, it was bought to an end
by the anti-war movement, but what made the anti-war movement
happen -- after all it didn't exist as a large movement until
the Vietnamese people began to score big victories against the
US forces. What made the anti-war movement very big, was that
many US people realised the war could not be won.
I think there is demoralisation, but
I don't think people should be too demoralised. The war isn't
going well for Washington. The US administration thought it would
capture Iraq and everyone there would welcome them. That hasn't
happened. There is a resistance movement and it is not just made
up of the remnants of the Baath Party. There are lots of other
people resisting the occupation as well.
The only people capable of stopping the
US-led occupation is the resistance in the region.
If this resistance carries on, I think
the US will switch its tactics, probably by bringing in blue-helmeted
United Nations mercenaries to run Iraq for them. For the US,
the main thing in Iraq is to push through the privatisation of
Iraq's oil, to achieve the liberalisation of the Iraqi economy
and to get the big US corporations in there. They
are not too concerned as to how the country will be run, as long
as that sort of economic structure is maintained.
Riley: The anti-war movement seems
to have led to a crisis in the British Labour Party. How has
the anti-war movement impacted on social democracy in Britain
and, in particular, the political alignment and views of the
population?
Ali: The size and scale of the movement
shook everyone, including the Labour Party, and gave lots of
Labour MPs courage to come out against the war. This is why Prime
Minister Tony Blair started telling more and more lies. Even
a number of Blairite MPs have said they would have voted against
the war had they known Blair was lying about Baghdad's weapons
of mass destruction. I think if 10 more Labour MPs had voted
against Blair on the war issue, he would only have stayed in
power with Conservative Party votes.
From that point of view, the anti-war
movement was effective. But you have to also understand that
the British ruling class was divided on this. Half the intelligence
agencies weren't convinced of [the need to go to war]. The military
itself wasn't particularly convinced. The furore that has surrounded
the death of David Kelly, the scientist, is all part and parcel
of this.
Kelly told the BBC that the government
had grossly exaggerated the threat. For that the government wanted
to punish him and drove him to his death. It's as simple as that.
So there was division over this war that was not confined to
the anti-war movement, but also reached upwards into various
strata of British society and this is what is creating the big
crisis for the Blair government.
Riley: Is Iraq becoming a "quagmire"
for the US?
Ali: I have just finished a book on the
history of Iraq, Bush in Babylon, which should be out in September.
My thesis is that US President George Bush's administration made
a very big mistake with Iraq. Washington thought it was going
to be like Kosova in the 1990s, that US troops would be welcomed
by sections of the Iraqi population.
Apart from the quislings, no-one welcomed
them. Even people who hated Hussein did not want this occupation
and are unhappy about it. So the US and British governments have
a very real problem on their hands.
There have just been big protest demonstrations
in Basra, in southern Iraq, and the British have had to fire
rubber bullets just like they did in Ireland. The US troops fire
real bullets but the British use rubber bullets. They know what
to do because they are more experienced colonialists.
The resistance is attracting people from
all over the Arab world.
There are 20 or so different resistance
groups which have been set up. The Iraqi Communist Party is not
one of them -- it's collaborating in the quisling Governing Council.
There are small leftist groups, there are lots of religious groups
and lots of non-religious groups -- none of them want the occupation.
When you have that degree of hostility it is a real problem for
the occupying powers.
There were some quislings who thought
that this occupation would be like in Japan or Germany after
the Second World War -- where the US rebuilt the country. There's
no sign of that in Iraq. What these people forget is that the
reason Japan and Germany had to be rebuilt was because of the
"Communist threat", because of the existence of the
Soviet Union. Now, Washington does not feel threatened.
We are witnessing imperialism in the
epoch of neoliberal economics and the "Washington consensus".
Why rebuild hospitals and recreate the state health service in
Iraq when you are dismantling it in your own countries? There's
a big ideological and financial problem for them which is why
they are using the corporations.
Riley: What does the Iraq experience
suggest for the future of US foreign policy?
Ali: I think Washington has realised
that the Iraq operation has not been a success. The Bush gang
won't admit it but they know it. The US empire has historically
preferred to rule the world indirectly not directly. It tries
to find governments that will do its bidding, regardless of whether
they are elected or are military dictatorships, like those that
have ruled in Latin America and large parts of Asia.
Washington would like to return to that
situation, except that now the key criteria of US support is
whether these regimes impose neoliberal economics and open the
country up to a market economy. So they abandoned Milosevic and
Hussein because they wouldn't cooperate in that. Burma is another
country on their list, not because it is a military regime --
after all they deal with a military regime in Pakistan endlessly
-- but because it is closed to foreign companies.
Riley: Some are suggesting that the
US is looking for another military target? Do you think that
is a likely scenario?
Ali: Washington's eyes are on Iran. But
if it does move on to Iran, it will create a new resistance.
The clerics are so hated in Iran -- curiously you'll have more
people welcoming US troops than you had in Iraq -- but still
it will be a mess and not a pushover. And again they will incite
Iranian nationalism.
They will not attack North Korea, precisely
because North Korea does have weapons of mass destruction. They
have said that if they are attacked they will use them. It may
be bluff but it works. The Chinese regime would not accept US
intervention in North Korea and would try to stop it, because
it would bring US troops right to its borders.
Riley: How do you assess the future
of the UN?
Ali: The UN is irrelevant in the sense
that it cannot be relied on to do anything against the wishes
of the US. What the organisation will be used for is to clean
up the empire's mess. It will go in, try and clean up the mess
and put a gloss on it -- Kofi Annan will stand up and mutter
sweet inanities and people will say: "Oh well, at least
this is a step forward. The UN is there. We've got the Americans
out."
The UN is an instrument of US foreign
policy; when Washington cannot use it in that way, it uses something
else. But what the UN cannot be used for is as an instrument
against US policy.
Tariq Ali spoke with Socialist Alliance's
DAVE RILEY in Brisbane on August 13. This interview originally
appeared in Green Left Weekly.
All rights reserved, Green Left Weekly.
Redistribution permitted with this notice attached. Redistribution
for profit prohibited.
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