This hadeeth is to be found in Saheeh Muslim (2767), narrated from Abu Moosa (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “On the Day of Resurrection, some of the Muslims will come with sins like mountains, but Allaah will forgive them and will put them (the sins) onto the Jews and Christians.” So this hadeeth is saheeh
For explanations of this hadith:
https://islamqa.info/en/9488
https://islamqa.info/en/198745
This video has also been uploaded here and here
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Friday, 6 October 2017
Advice For Muslims On Dealing With Christian Anti-Muslim Sentiment...
Part of an email advising somebody who was being run down by evangelical Christians attacking Islam:
These people actively look for people who are all jittery when it comes to their emotional polemics against the Faith. They can sense who lacks confidence and self-esteem especially in person (body language) and even on the net with the way somebody is interacting.
There’s a lot of psychology behind evangelical Christian missionaries who try to rob Muslims of faith in the Revelation of Allah. They actively look for people who struggle with English because they think they are easier targets for various reasons (i.e. the Christian can conflate the West with Christianity and thus misappropriate secular Western achievement to Christianity, it’s easier for them to dominate and manipulate a conversation if the other person has a weaker command of the language and we both know that there is an undercurrent in the West which portrays people not educated in Western institutes as lesser thinkers), their ideal is those with inferiority complexes – inferiority complexes when it comes to the West and folks who have elements of self hate within them. A great way to deal with these missionaries is to go head on and use the premises in their arguments against them.
For instance, they will talk about the Prophet being involved in war and put it alongside the Jesus of the Gospel (A Jesus who was never the head of a state nor of a group large enough to wrestle control of the region away from the oppressive Romans so it’s the fallacy of false comparisons although if that’s what they want to do, be their guest and compare Prophet Muhammad with Trinitarian Jesus!).
The premise here is somebody using violence and warfare cannot be from God. Point at the Prophets in the OT – Moses – who used violence and warfare (e.g vs the Midianites in Numbers). But go further, talk about the Trinity idea teaching Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity thus Trinitarians essentially believe Jesus ordered the killing of women and children (1 Samuel 15:3).
Likewise, for the issue of polygamy, tell them Jesus did not forbid it according to Biblical Trinitarians and appears to allow it (Exodus 21:10) and he even says he GAVE David his wives according to Trinitarians (2 Samuel 12:8). In this instance you can also point to one of the sparks for their breakaway church movement, Martin Luther. Luther is on record saying nothing in Christian scripture forbids polygamy. [It will be a really Westernised Christian who brings the issue of polygamy up and he/she may find this very difficult and thus jump at the One Flesh verse (Gen 2:24) – they believe MOSES wrote such yet he had more than one wife so clearly the author’s understanding of the one flesh verse could not have been a proscription of polygyny].
Let’s talk about female slaves, they will bring this up. They may have even been taught to say Muslims are allowed to rape female slaves. Of course this is a prurient lie as part of their propaganda of demonisation (but the Christian you’re speaking to may not know this, so be gentle). To respond,say, “OK clearly you believe in the rights and well treatment of slaves, especially female slaves, I respect that as that is what we as Muslims are taught. But before I show you our teachings I want to share what Trinitarians believe Jesus allowed with respect to slaves, this may sound shocking so do look it up and think about it when you have some time later on, he allowed the severe beating of female slaves as long as they got up after a couple of days (Ex 21:20-21). Female slaves were taken as captives of war and married in the OT. There are some secularists, and perhaps liberal Christians, who say this was rape in the Bible but for me I don’t believe God allows rape as we are taught in the Quran (Quran 4:36) to treat slaves well and the Prophetic teaching (Sahih Muslim) is that one cannot even slap a slave – clearly rape would transgress those teachings thus cannot be allowed.”
Notice, what we’ve done my dear, we’ve started planting seeds and educating the Christian friend.
Don’t say any of this aggressively to them, say it how an educator would. You’re the teacher here. You’ve got to be the guide here. This Christian is in severe spiritual danger and his reckless elders may have effectively nudged him on to the precipice of leaving Biblical Christianity and the Abrahamic tradition.
Remember, if they come to you, your demeanour is key, you MUST be confident. Don’t be all jittery, they will sense it and that’s what they want to see. Speak with clarity and purpose. Be smart and informed, if you’re not, they will pick up on it and they will not be influenced as much by you, in fact they will take it as a cue to start influencing you! Be sophisticated and focussed, don’t bang on about America bombing Iraq like some emotional wreck – that’s not the time or place. The number of Muslims I see rattling on about Iraq, British and American imperialism in these discussions is staggering, to be honest it’s neither helpful nor relevant. It can come across as cringe-worthy and embarrassing. The Christian did not come to you as a representative of America, in many cases the Christian is not even American and is against Trump, Bush etc.. It’s a theological discussion, not political. There’s a time and place for remonstrating against the bombings of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan etc. and the contentious issue of Palestine...this discussion is not that time or place.
Take on the role of the educator in the dialogue. The evangelical missionaries have been set up to try and rob you of your faith using secular arguments – their leaders saw how the secularists decimated Christendom in Western Europe and now they have borrowed that polemical style from them because it was effective against their own faith! The only reason why it was effective was because the Christians had been conditioned to think of Western civilisation and Western laws as the pinnacle thus the Church ended up allowing divorce (their teachings do not allow divorce except in the case of adultery), staying silent on sex before marriage and even inviting Bill and Bob, and Jill and Jean, to come into their churches to get “married”. They did all this to appease their congregations who became Westerners at heart rather than true Bible believers.
They’ve lost confidence in their Book. Don’t allow them to try and do the same to you with respect to Islam.
ALWAYS REMEMBER: These evangelical Christians have been conned, they’ve been conned by “Christian” folks who have given them a load of polemics against Islam which, if applied consistently, would mean the Christian would reject Christianity and Biblical teachings. These Christian missionaries, once they wake up and start thinking about what they’re saying, are in danger of leaving the Abrahamic tradition because their Christian leaders was set them up to stumble. The evangelical Christian NEEDS you in this instance. You can be a light for them and a light for their nations. But you’ve got to be smart, sophisticated, educated, confident and concerned. YOU can do it.
Geza Vermes on How Jesus Would Have Reacted to Trinitarian Christians
For Christians Who Call Muslims Rag-Heads...
Are Evengalicals Ignoring Sola Scriptura When Talking About Prophecies in the Bible?
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
These people actively look for people who are all jittery when it comes to their emotional polemics against the Faith. They can sense who lacks confidence and self-esteem especially in person (body language) and even on the net with the way somebody is interacting.
There’s a lot of psychology behind evangelical Christian missionaries who try to rob Muslims of faith in the Revelation of Allah. They actively look for people who struggle with English because they think they are easier targets for various reasons (i.e. the Christian can conflate the West with Christianity and thus misappropriate secular Western achievement to Christianity, it’s easier for them to dominate and manipulate a conversation if the other person has a weaker command of the language and we both know that there is an undercurrent in the West which portrays people not educated in Western institutes as lesser thinkers), their ideal is those with inferiority complexes – inferiority complexes when it comes to the West and folks who have elements of self hate within them. A great way to deal with these missionaries is to go head on and use the premises in their arguments against them.
For instance, they will talk about the Prophet being involved in war and put it alongside the Jesus of the Gospel (A Jesus who was never the head of a state nor of a group large enough to wrestle control of the region away from the oppressive Romans so it’s the fallacy of false comparisons although if that’s what they want to do, be their guest and compare Prophet Muhammad with Trinitarian Jesus!).
The premise here is somebody using violence and warfare cannot be from God. Point at the Prophets in the OT – Moses – who used violence and warfare (e.g vs the Midianites in Numbers). But go further, talk about the Trinity idea teaching Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity thus Trinitarians essentially believe Jesus ordered the killing of women and children (1 Samuel 15:3).
Likewise, for the issue of polygamy, tell them Jesus did not forbid it according to Biblical Trinitarians and appears to allow it (Exodus 21:10) and he even says he GAVE David his wives according to Trinitarians (2 Samuel 12:8). In this instance you can also point to one of the sparks for their breakaway church movement, Martin Luther. Luther is on record saying nothing in Christian scripture forbids polygamy. [It will be a really Westernised Christian who brings the issue of polygamy up and he/she may find this very difficult and thus jump at the One Flesh verse (Gen 2:24) – they believe MOSES wrote such yet he had more than one wife so clearly the author’s understanding of the one flesh verse could not have been a proscription of polygyny].
Let’s talk about female slaves, they will bring this up. They may have even been taught to say Muslims are allowed to rape female slaves. Of course this is a prurient lie as part of their propaganda of demonisation (but the Christian you’re speaking to may not know this, so be gentle). To respond,say, “OK clearly you believe in the rights and well treatment of slaves, especially female slaves, I respect that as that is what we as Muslims are taught. But before I show you our teachings I want to share what Trinitarians believe Jesus allowed with respect to slaves, this may sound shocking so do look it up and think about it when you have some time later on, he allowed the severe beating of female slaves as long as they got up after a couple of days (Ex 21:20-21). Female slaves were taken as captives of war and married in the OT. There are some secularists, and perhaps liberal Christians, who say this was rape in the Bible but for me I don’t believe God allows rape as we are taught in the Quran (Quran 4:36) to treat slaves well and the Prophetic teaching (Sahih Muslim) is that one cannot even slap a slave – clearly rape would transgress those teachings thus cannot be allowed.”
Notice, what we’ve done my dear, we’ve started planting seeds and educating the Christian friend.
Don’t say any of this aggressively to them, say it how an educator would. You’re the teacher here. You’ve got to be the guide here. This Christian is in severe spiritual danger and his reckless elders may have effectively nudged him on to the precipice of leaving Biblical Christianity and the Abrahamic tradition.
Remember, if they come to you, your demeanour is key, you MUST be confident. Don’t be all jittery, they will sense it and that’s what they want to see. Speak with clarity and purpose. Be smart and informed, if you’re not, they will pick up on it and they will not be influenced as much by you, in fact they will take it as a cue to start influencing you! Be sophisticated and focussed, don’t bang on about America bombing Iraq like some emotional wreck – that’s not the time or place. The number of Muslims I see rattling on about Iraq, British and American imperialism in these discussions is staggering, to be honest it’s neither helpful nor relevant. It can come across as cringe-worthy and embarrassing. The Christian did not come to you as a representative of America, in many cases the Christian is not even American and is against Trump, Bush etc.. It’s a theological discussion, not political. There’s a time and place for remonstrating against the bombings of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan etc. and the contentious issue of Palestine...this discussion is not that time or place.
Take on the role of the educator in the dialogue. The evangelical missionaries have been set up to try and rob you of your faith using secular arguments – their leaders saw how the secularists decimated Christendom in Western Europe and now they have borrowed that polemical style from them because it was effective against their own faith! The only reason why it was effective was because the Christians had been conditioned to think of Western civilisation and Western laws as the pinnacle thus the Church ended up allowing divorce (their teachings do not allow divorce except in the case of adultery), staying silent on sex before marriage and even inviting Bill and Bob, and Jill and Jean, to come into their churches to get “married”. They did all this to appease their congregations who became Westerners at heart rather than true Bible believers.
They’ve lost confidence in their Book. Don’t allow them to try and do the same to you with respect to Islam.
ALWAYS REMEMBER: These evangelical Christians have been conned, they’ve been conned by “Christian” folks who have given them a load of polemics against Islam which, if applied consistently, would mean the Christian would reject Christianity and Biblical teachings. These Christian missionaries, once they wake up and start thinking about what they’re saying, are in danger of leaving the Abrahamic tradition because their Christian leaders was set them up to stumble. The evangelical Christian NEEDS you in this instance. You can be a light for them and a light for their nations. But you’ve got to be smart, sophisticated, educated, confident and concerned. YOU can do it.
Geza Vermes on How Jesus Would Have Reacted to Trinitarian Christians
For Christians Who Call Muslims Rag-Heads...
Are Evengalicals Ignoring Sola Scriptura When Talking About Prophecies in the Bible?
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Wednesday, 4 October 2017
Numbers 31 and Deuteronomy 21 - Sam Shamoun
Now I understand this anti-Islam apologist, Sam Shamoun, has been denounced as having a double-mind by Pulpit and Pen and James White refuses to recommend him whilst considering him as somebody who "has lost it" BUT his views, if consistently applied, seem to indicate he believes Jesus singled out virgins in Numbers 31 to be raped.
Sam Shamoun: Numbers 31 and Deuteronomy 21
This video is also uploaded here
Numbers 31:
4 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 21:
10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, 12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. 13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
A Difficulty On the Christian Idea of Salvation and Forgiveness
Sam Shamoun and David Wood Cursed by Paul of Tarsus!
African Children and the Harm of White Jesus Imagery - Umar Johnson
Geza Vermes on How Jesus Would Have Reacted to Trinitarian Christians
For Christians Who Call Muslims Rag-Heads...
Are Evengalicals Ignoring Sola Scriptura When Talking About Prophecies in the Bible?
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Tuesday, 3 October 2017
A Difficulty On the Christian Idea of Salvation and Forgiveness
Asghar Bukhari writes on his FB about his experience with a Nigerian Christian:
I met a Nigerian Christian today. Well somehow [the] conversation turns to Jews backing israel. He starts telling me the Bible says God supports Jews against their enemies.
So i say, hang about. Didnt they kill your God?
He replies yes but that was Prophesy. God ordained it. And if God hadn't died he wouldn't be saved.
So i say, 'So God told them to kill Him? So you think they did God a favour by killing Him?
He actually said "Yes its Good they killed God"
He had no problem with Jews taking and cleansing the Palestinians because 'Jesus gave it to the Jews
African Christians are some of the most brainwashed people on earth. I mean how can you believe in a religion that nuts.
My thoughts
I have actually thought about this before, I don't believe this Nigerian Christian has drifted away from Biblical Christianity in what he said with what he said about Jews killing God.Christians do effectively believe God wanted the Jews and Romans to kill him - it was a prerequisite for salvation. Thus, in some way without these murderers this “gift of salvation” Christians believe in could not happen.
I've always thought why aren't those who are said to kill Jesus not considered saints as they are responsible for the salvation of billions indirectly according to Christianity? How can they be considered to be in Hell when every Christian is indebted to them indirectly for their salvation?
There is the ethical question here, why is God’s forgiveness and gift of salvation in need of Jewish and Roman murderers? If you truly believe a blood sacrifice is really needed and God really needs to die for sins then why believe God provokes people to murder Him as this means salvation and God’s forgiveness is dependent on murderers in some way, shape or form?
In Islam, God can forgive people without having to be killed by murderers. Which concept of God is better, the Christian one or the Islamic one, be honest?
There are some tough questions here, think about them and ask your pastors.
Note: A Christian friend, Denis Giron, did share this from the Catholic tradition: Catholic history has a tradition that the Roman soldier who stabbed Christ with the spear was a man named Longinus, who later converted to Christianity. He was (and in some pockets still is) revered as a saint. Admittedly, he was revered based on the belief that he converted..
Synoptic Gospels and the Idea of a Pre-Existant Jesus?
Thursday, 28 September 2017
Sam Shamoun and David Wood Cursed by Paul of Tarsus!
Paul of Tarsus cursed all Trinitarians in Galatians 1 as Paul of Tarsus never knew about the Trinity doctrine and never preached or believed in this doctrine. Thus for Paul of Tarsus, the Trinitarians preach a different Gospel to him, meaning they are cursed according to Galatians 1.
Even if folks like Sam Shamoun and David Wood decide to give up the Trinity doctrine they will still be considered to be cursed by Paul of Tarsus as they are suspected of rejecting Penal Substitution. Here's what Brandon Hines writes about Michael Gungor in this regard:
By denying Penal Substitution, Gungor is rejecting the true Gospel and embracing another gospel, which is no gospel at all. What does the Bible say we are to do with those who bring another Gospel? Galatians 1:8 (ESV) tells us, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.” [Brandon Hines]
For the Muslim, Paul of Tarsus has no authority whatsoever. Muslim don't care who he cursed. Can Christians say the same?
How Jay Smith, Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun and David Wood Contribute to the Apostasy of Christians
Geza Vermes on How Jesus Would Have Reacted to Trinitarian Christians
Is Limited Atonement Doctrine Taught Clearer than the Trinity Doctrine in the New Testament?
For Christians who say Allah is a Deceiver- a Message from James White
Oldest British Convert to Islam, Br Mohamed Keith-Kinglsey Cunliffe?
Faith Change: Islam rapidly grows as Christianity declines in UK
Slovakians converting to Islam
Faith Change: Islam rapidly grows as Christianity declines in UK
Slovakians converting to Islam
Notes from Sean Finnegan's interview with Patrick Navas: Is the Trinity Biblical
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Why Islam
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Why Islam
Friday, 9 June 2017
James White Warns Churches Against Using Sam Shamoun
Sam Shamoun is a notoriously shoddy polemicist. His own people are now advising Christians against inviting him to speak in there churches.
Also uploaded here
Is Limited Atonement Doctrine Taught Clearer than the Trinity Doctrine in the New Testament?
James R. White Proven Wrong by his Buddy Shamoun
ABN, Sam Shamoun and David Wood Plus 'Stupid' Christians
Refutations of David Wood (Acts 17 Apologetics, Answering Muslims)
Refutations of Sam Shamoun (Answering Islam)
Refutations of Nabeel Qureshi (Creed 2:6 Ministries, RZIM)
Did Prophet Muhammad Have Epilepsy? No. Dr Yasir Qadhi
Sharia Law against terrorism
Christians having dreams and converting to Islam
Learn about Islam
Email: yahyasnow@yahoo.co.uk
Also uploaded here
Is Limited Atonement Doctrine Taught Clearer than the Trinity Doctrine in the New Testament?
James R. White Proven Wrong by his Buddy Shamoun
ABN, Sam Shamoun and David Wood Plus 'Stupid' Christians
Refutations of David Wood (Acts 17 Apologetics, Answering Muslims)
Refutations of Sam Shamoun (Answering Islam)
Refutations of Nabeel Qureshi (Creed 2:6 Ministries, RZIM)
Did Prophet Muhammad Have Epilepsy? No. Dr Yasir Qadhi
Sharia Law against terrorism
Christians having dreams and converting to Islam
Learn about Islam
Email: yahyasnow@yahoo.co.uk
Sunday, 7 May 2017
Is Limited Atonement Doctrine Taught Clearer than the Trinity Doctrine in the New Testament?
Video also uploaded here
The same obviously can be said of Jesus and his disciples: they had no knowledge of the Trinity as the Trinity doctrine was a construct that came about through later philosophy – it came about after Nicaea.
My questions to Sam have to be, why has he not rejected the Trinity belief? If he has, is he willing to go on public record? I understand he was racially abused for simply teaching the Bible’s age of consent but if Sam is consistent and has rejected the Trinity doctrine along with Limited atonement then he should be brave enough to make this known.
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Why Islam
I am not sure whether there is something in Dr James White’s claim of Sam Shamoun repudiation of Limited Atonement theology was out of spite following Sam’s acrimonious break-up with James. We can’t be sure although Sam has previous form. Sam has publicly stated a Muslim, many years ago, who embarrassed Sam and attacked Christianity was a springboard for his anti-Islam polemics, which have now occupied decades of his life, so there is something in Sam’s character where his theology is moved by emotion – specifically negative emotions.
In British churches there is, as Dr Joseph Shaw speaks of, an emasculation of men in churches and I would hazard this makes many prone be excessively emotional. In the churches/church groups that I visit I do feel some men in those churches do seem to more feminised/emasculated than average British men.
Having said all that, Sam Shamoun is faced with the very real question of why has he not renounced the Trinity doctrine yet? If he can now reject Limited Atonement which has a stronger and clearer superficial case to being Biblical than the Trinity then why not denounce the Trinity as unbiblical ?
Trinitatarian apologists contend for the idea of the Trinity by amalgamating a number of Biblical verses together and reading into those meshed verses the doctrine of the Trinity including the limit of three persons despite Christians now openly admitting there is no limit of three in the Bible as well as introducing the concept of personhood which has also been shown to be an external thought added to the New Testament as there is no Biblical differentiation between being and personhood . In a nutshell, what the Trinity advocates do, is eisegesis not exegesis via imaginative hermeneutic gymnastics. It’s awfully unconvincing.
On the other hand, the proponents of PR/LA may point to one individual in the Bible and a specific verse to argue for their doctrine. They argue John teaches this and point to, what appears on the surface level, three pretty clear verses.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. [John 15]
And John 10:
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Is Sam going to claim that Jesus believes Muslims are his friends? Sam, do you believe your god died for us and considers us his friends?
Sam, does this mean, you believe the man you consider to be God believes Muslims and other non-Christians whom you believe to be the sons of Satan are the friends of your god? Do you not think there’s a contradiction here? And what of your prophet (Paul of Tarsus) who cursed people who did not believe the same as him, do you believe he was cursing the sheep and friends of Jesus?
And what about the Jews and Romans who were purportedly behind the crucifixion of Jesus, do you believe they were Jesus’ friends and Jesus died for them?
Notice how the advocates of Limited Atonement can argue simply from certain NT texts and can ask questions which make the Christian opposition appear contradictory.
Trinitarian apologists cannot argue simply from the NT. They can’t point to a specific verse nor can they point to a specific author or individual in the Bible to argue for the doctrine of the Trinity. So much so that even Paul of Tarsus isn’t even thought of as a Trinitarian:
If in addition we think of Paul as an orthodox Christian, we will only misinterpret him that much more. He’s living in a period where he’s not thinking in a Trinitarian manner. The idea of the Trinity hasn’t been conceived yet. His letters will have Jesus Christ in them; they will have God the Father in them; he will talk about the Spirit of God. Those are the textual origins that will be used to formulate the doctrine of the Trinity, but Paul’s not thinking in a Trinitarian way. [Paula Fredricksen]
Having said all that, Sam Shamoun is faced with the very real question of why has he not renounced the Trinity doctrine yet? If he can now reject Limited Atonement which has a stronger and clearer superficial case to being Biblical than the Trinity then why not denounce the Trinity as unbiblical ?
Trinitatarian apologists contend for the idea of the Trinity by amalgamating a number of Biblical verses together and reading into those meshed verses the doctrine of the Trinity including the limit of three persons despite Christians now openly admitting there is no limit of three in the Bible as well as introducing the concept of personhood which has also been shown to be an external thought added to the New Testament as there is no Biblical differentiation between being and personhood . In a nutshell, what the Trinity advocates do, is eisegesis not exegesis via imaginative hermeneutic gymnastics. It’s awfully unconvincing.
On the other hand, the proponents of PR/LA may point to one individual in the Bible and a specific verse to argue for their doctrine. They argue John teaches this and point to, what appears on the surface level, three pretty clear verses.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. [John 15]
And John 10:
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Is Sam going to claim that Jesus believes Muslims are his friends? Sam, do you believe your god died for us and considers us his friends?
Sam, does this mean, you believe the man you consider to be God believes Muslims and other non-Christians whom you believe to be the sons of Satan are the friends of your god? Do you not think there’s a contradiction here? And what of your prophet (Paul of Tarsus) who cursed people who did not believe the same as him, do you believe he was cursing the sheep and friends of Jesus?
And what about the Jews and Romans who were purportedly behind the crucifixion of Jesus, do you believe they were Jesus’ friends and Jesus died for them?
Notice how the advocates of Limited Atonement can argue simply from certain NT texts and can ask questions which make the Christian opposition appear contradictory.
Trinitarian apologists cannot argue simply from the NT. They can’t point to a specific verse nor can they point to a specific author or individual in the Bible to argue for the doctrine of the Trinity. So much so that even Paul of Tarsus isn’t even thought of as a Trinitarian:
If in addition we think of Paul as an orthodox Christian, we will only misinterpret him that much more. He’s living in a period where he’s not thinking in a Trinitarian manner. The idea of the Trinity hasn’t been conceived yet. His letters will have Jesus Christ in them; they will have God the Father in them; he will talk about the Spirit of God. Those are the textual origins that will be used to formulate the doctrine of the Trinity, but Paul’s not thinking in a Trinitarian way. [Paula Fredricksen]
The same obviously can be said of Jesus and his disciples: they had no knowledge of the Trinity as the Trinity doctrine was a construct that came about through later philosophy – it came about after Nicaea.
My questions to Sam have to be, why has he not rejected the Trinity belief? If he has, is he willing to go on public record? I understand he was racially abused for simply teaching the Bible’s age of consent but if Sam is consistent and has rejected the Trinity doctrine along with Limited atonement then he should be brave enough to make this known.
Why Islam
Friday, 5 May 2017
Sam Shamoun: James White Has A Shallow Understanding of the Old Testament
Has Sam Shamoun ever thought the idea of the Trinity is not mentioned in the Old Testament hence why folks like James White do not try to use the Old Testament to argue for the Trinity doctrine?
Perhaps they know they will get mocked by people who have some knowledge in this field if they do argue like Sam Shamoun.
Bart Ehrman Mocks an argument which Nabeel Qureshi uses for the Trinity idea
Also uploaded here
Shocking: Nabeel Qureshi's Arguments for the Trinity Exposed by Dale Tuggy Clips
Also uploaded here
James White would lose credibility if he tries to argue for the Trinity idea from the Old Testament. No serious-minded and informed listener would find those arguments convincing.
Andy Bannister rebuked
Analysing Richard Lucas' Heretical Understanding of Trinity
Solas' Andy Bannister Presenting Intellectually Dishonest Arguments on New Testament Reliability
Christian Missionaries and Pakistan's Valentines Day Ban
A Muslim's Thoughts on Solas CPC's + Other Christian Campagins Against Same Sex Marriage in the UK
Did Ignatius Teach the Trinity?
Thoughts on the Hamza Myatt, Liz Mooney, Chris Claus and Jonathan McLatchie Exchanges
Thursday, 4 May 2017
For Christians who say Allah is a Deceiver- a Message from James White
Video also uploaded here and here
54. And they [the disbelievers] schemed and Allah schemed;
and Allah is the best of schemers.
This text is often cited as evidence of some kind of
dishonesty on Allah’s part, but the honest reader recognizes that just as God
sent a lying spirit into the mouths of false prophets as a means by which He
brought just punishment on those who rebelled against Him (1 Kings 22:33), and
just as the New Testament warns that those who refuse to love the truth will be
caused to love a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11), this text could well be saying that
when people scheme against Allah and His ways, they will find Allah is
significantly better at that activity than they are. [James White]
Notes from Sean Finnegan's interview with Patrick Navas: Is the Trinity Biblical
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Why Islam
Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?
Why Islam
Friday, 16 December 2016
Bart Ehrman and James White to Debate Whether Jesus was Yahweh According to the New Testament Authors?
There could be a debate on the horizons.
James White challenged Dr Bart Ehrman to a debate on whether the New Testament authors thought Jesus was Yahweh. Well, it turned out Dr Ehrman was notified of this challenge by a comment on his blog and he has now responded opening the door to a possible debate.
I'm not sure why James never contacted Dr Ehrman but if he's serious and he was not just offering a load of bluster for his followers who make up his echo chamber one would expect him to be rushing to email Dr Ehrman to set this debate up. Considering Dr Bart Ehrman called James White offensive and not a nice chap I think James would do well to take some of Sam Shamoun's advice to ensure the interaction, this time round, goes off smoothly and yields a meaningful dialogue without any negative baggage and resentment.
This is the type of argument James White would expect to come up against in a debate on the theology of the New Testament authors from Dr Bart Ehrman.
How Jay Smith, Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun and David Wood Contriubute to the Apostasy of Christians
A Question of James White's Consistency Re Prof. JR Daniel Kirk and Bart Ehrman
Was Ignatius Trinitarian: Rudolph Boshoff, James White + Jonathan McLatchie (Muslim Responds)
I'm not sure why James never contacted Dr Ehrman but if he's serious and he was not just offering a load of bluster for his followers who make up his echo chamber one would expect him to be rushing to email Dr Ehrman to set this debate up. Considering Dr Bart Ehrman called James White offensive and not a nice chap I think James would do well to take some of Sam Shamoun's advice to ensure the interaction, this time round, goes off smoothly and yields a meaningful dialogue without any negative baggage and resentment.
This is the type of argument James White would expect to come up against in a debate on the theology of the New Testament authors from Dr Bart Ehrman.
How Jay Smith, Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun and David Wood Contriubute to the Apostasy of Christians
A Question of James White's Consistency Re Prof. JR Daniel Kirk and Bart Ehrman
Was Ignatius Trinitarian: Rudolph Boshoff, James White + Jonathan McLatchie (Muslim Responds)
Muslim Helps James White out: Why Bart Erhman Finds James White Offensive
The Lying Hand of the New Testament Scribe
The Lying Hand of the New Testament Scribe
Tuesday, 8 November 2016
How Jay Smith, Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun and David Wood Contribute to the Apostasy of Christians
Muslims have refuted ad nauseum the claim that Islam allows rape of concubines (see here and here for examples) so I am not looking at refuting this claim. This is a focus on the idea of consistency (or rather a lack of it) when it comes to the Bible.
In this video we see a Christian apologist give a standard response to the idea of the Old Testament (yes, that's the Bible) allowing women to be captured and used as concubines or married off to the captors. His answer seems pretty straight forward to semi-smart people.
In this video we see a Christian apologist give a standard response to the idea of the Old Testament (yes, that's the Bible) allowing women to be captured and used as concubines or married off to the captors. His answer seems pretty straight forward to semi-smart people.
James White's comments condemn Jay Smith, Sam Shamoun, David Wood and Beth Grove
If the video does not play, please see here
Anybody who can process the idea of context, judgement of God, and understand the fallacy of presentism can argue against Western secular humanist critique of Abrahamic religions and religious figures.
Sadly, what I'm noticing on the Muslim-Christian apologetics/polemics scene is a tendency to ignore such factors and argue as Western secular humanists against the other religion. This happens amongst the Christian camp. Westernized Christians go so far as to adopt an inconsistent standard of argumentation to attack Islam whilst ignoring or being unaware of their indirect attack on the Old Testament and the Trinitarian view of Jesus.
Glaring examples would include polygamy, capital punishment, violence and concubinage. The example of concubinage takes a life of its own as Christian polemics propagandize in order to equate that to rape and even introduce new, misleading and emotive terminology for concubines - "sex slaves"!
For the serious-minded and smart Christian evangelist there are two problems:
1. The argument is inconsistent as the Old Testament allowed soldiers to take captured women (Num 31:16-18, Num 31:31-40, Deut 21:10-14). The Old Testament is the word of Jesus along with the Father according to Trinitarian theology thus, for the Trinitarian, to argue this is rape is to indirectly accuse Jesus of allowing rape.
2. The Christian polemicist is setting Christians up to stumble out of the Church with premises which aren't couched in consistent Biblical thought. Think about it, a young Western millennial Christian is effectively being taught by Christian polemicists like David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun and Jay Smith that polygamy, concubines, warfare and capital punishment make a religion false. These millennials are being set up to stumble out of Christianity as they later build up their knowledge base of the Old Testament. This is all because "feel good Christian" polemicists like Wood and Smith don't appear to have the intellectual honesty or foresight to factor in consistency with the Bible.
Christians are quite often scoring own goals. That desire for the quick buck, quick convert or quick boost in personal popularity can quite easily assist the undoing of some young Christian's faith further down the line.
Surely smart Christians can see this. Sadly for Christianity there are less and less smart Christians operating in this arena and even fewer have the fortitude, or regard for Christianity, to take on their "feel good Christian" missionaries.
A Question of James White's Consistency Re Prof. JR Daniel Kirk and Bart Ehrman
Muslim Imam Response to Paris Terrorist Attacks
Similarities Between Catholic Terrorist Group IRA and Muslim Terrorist Group ISIS
Explanation: Zaynab Bint Jahsh's Marriage to Prophet Muhammad p Dr Yasir Qadhi
Dhul Qarnayn and the Exegetes' Speculation of Alexander The Great
Murder Rates in Muslim Countries Compared to Non Muslim Countries.
The Hitler Propaganda on Muslims
Sharia Law against terrorism
Christians having dreams and converting to Islam
Learn about Islam
Email: yahyasnow@yahoo.co.uk
Sadly, what I'm noticing on the Muslim-Christian apologetics/polemics scene is a tendency to ignore such factors and argue as Western secular humanists against the other religion. This happens amongst the Christian camp. Westernized Christians go so far as to adopt an inconsistent standard of argumentation to attack Islam whilst ignoring or being unaware of their indirect attack on the Old Testament and the Trinitarian view of Jesus.
Glaring examples would include polygamy, capital punishment, violence and concubinage. The example of concubinage takes a life of its own as Christian polemics propagandize in order to equate that to rape and even introduce new, misleading and emotive terminology for concubines - "sex slaves"!
For the serious-minded and smart Christian evangelist there are two problems:
1. The argument is inconsistent as the Old Testament allowed soldiers to take captured women (Num 31:16-18, Num 31:31-40, Deut 21:10-14). The Old Testament is the word of Jesus along with the Father according to Trinitarian theology thus, for the Trinitarian, to argue this is rape is to indirectly accuse Jesus of allowing rape.
2. The Christian polemicist is setting Christians up to stumble out of the Church with premises which aren't couched in consistent Biblical thought. Think about it, a young Western millennial Christian is effectively being taught by Christian polemicists like David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, Sam Shamoun and Jay Smith that polygamy, concubines, warfare and capital punishment make a religion false. These millennials are being set up to stumble out of Christianity as they later build up their knowledge base of the Old Testament. This is all because "feel good Christian" polemicists like Wood and Smith don't appear to have the intellectual honesty or foresight to factor in consistency with the Bible.
Christians are quite often scoring own goals. That desire for the quick buck, quick convert or quick boost in personal popularity can quite easily assist the undoing of some young Christian's faith further down the line.
Surely smart Christians can see this. Sadly for Christianity there are less and less smart Christians operating in this arena and even fewer have the fortitude, or regard for Christianity, to take on their "feel good Christian" missionaries.
A Question of James White's Consistency Re Prof. JR Daniel Kirk and Bart Ehrman
Similarities Between Catholic Terrorist Group IRA and Muslim Terrorist Group ISIS
Explanation: Zaynab Bint Jahsh's Marriage to Prophet Muhammad p Dr Yasir Qadhi
Dhul Qarnayn and the Exegetes' Speculation of Alexander The Great
Murder Rates in Muslim Countries Compared to Non Muslim Countries.
The Hitler Propaganda on Muslims
Sharia Law against terrorism
Christians having dreams and converting to Islam
Learn about Islam
Email: yahyasnow@yahoo.co.uk
Monday, 7 March 2016
David Wood: Yahya Snow Censors and Conceals 'Evidence'?
If this video does not play, this video can also be found here
This is really odd. I only came across David's response to my work in countering their thighing hoax last
night after I was on my phone trying to search for one of my posts on a hoax
conversion via Google.
It's dated 2014, David Wood is having a testosterone-fuelled
blast at me. Playing the big man while trying to belittle the other guy.
Typical internet shenanigans. Sad.
OK, here's the serious bit, he's accusing me of
concealing evidence Prophet Muhammad 'thighed' Aisha. Erm, we've been through
this before. David claimed before Aisha moved in with Prophet Muhammad p, the
Prophet would 'thigh' her (intercrurual sex) because she was too young for
actual sex. The guy just made that up. See the video above. He was exposed on that a few years ago.
He never responded to it back then but all of a sudden we see this post which
really does not prove his case.
Firstly, a 'Fatwa' is not evidence for anything.
It just means opinion. To have evidence the Prophet did something you need a
narration (Hadith). A sound one at that. The local imam down the road can give fatwas on whether
it's permissibile to listen to music, use a fridge, wear Nike trainers or
whatever. It's a legal verdict. Not historical evidence about Prophet Muhammad
p.
I had a look at his link, I couldn't find the
narration the website was quoting. So, for the time being, I cannot delve into
the Arabic, if it the narration from Ibn Majah exists. However, notice the
"narration" does not mention Aisha and it does not mention anything
about pre-puberty. Quite how Wood thinks this validates his claims is beyond
me. It doesn't. Why wait all these years and produce something so insignificant
that doesn't even touch on the claims YOU made?
If I have time, I may look into all this further
and produce another blog post as that crowd seem to be trying to throw some
dust in the air to distract people from their unsubstantiated claims and
deceptions of the past. Sad.
Censorship
I am also being accused of censorship. These folk
have a screen shot of some comments that were deleted. I'm not sure if it's
from my blog but there's a discussion in the comments on his blog and it seems
like it's not just David who is accusing me of censorship (of links to this
thighing fatwa) so I guess some comments were deleted, unless David made a sock
account or two. I honestly don;t remember. As far as I recall, this is the
first time I've seen this post from David and this fatwa webiste which does not
prove anything. Perhaps I thought somebody was spamming. On newer posts I close off comments generally, they are time consuming, but the ancient posts on this blog have comments enabled so I assume, if what they must be referring to an older blog post. Whatever the case, I have no recollection of this. Clearly it was a big thing over at the AM blog :)
For anybody interested, David's post can be foundhere. All the stuff on his blog has been refuted. I always find it interesting
that he censors and then he makes a big deal out of me apparently censoring
(which I have no recollection of). Happy David? It's on my blog, now how about
you start allowing my comments and links on your blog, worried your donors will
follow Negeen Mayel through the exit door? BTW, your wife recently censored one of my vids in the Acts 17 group. Yep one of my vids was posted there and soon removed. What have you folk got to hide?
PS I found your belittlement odd considering at least
3 contributors of your blog (including yourself) have asked to debate me while your
buddy Shamoun regularly throws out debate challenges my way. Why debate a fly while
you boys are giants? Or is it really a case of you boys knowing this website and my
vids have harmed your credibility in the eyes of your supporters? Cutting through
all the childish insults, it's obvious that I'm not the fly he tries to paint me
as while David and his associates aren't the giants they style themselves as. More
humility and realism is required.
For the record, I challenge you to a debate. Any topic,
you can choose. As long as you agree to reciprocate and accept a topic from me.
We'll have the debate on YouTube. The place where falsehood and spin perishes :)
The place where so many have seen the Answering Muslims team stumble.
OK, I'm out. If anybody wants more history on the thighing stuff and more info on it, just search for the word on this blog and you will get a ton of posts on it. Have a good day. Peeeace.
For more refutations of David Wood, see:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/David%20Wood
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/David%20Wood
If you're a supporter of Acts 17 or Answering Muslims, and want a private chat (perhaps you have concerns about some of their content and the way they do things) please email me: yahyasnow@yahoo.co.uk
Tuesday, 26 January 2016
Sam Shamoun: Biography of a Chicken
You hear a lot of cooing on the net from an Arab-looking fella called Sam Shamoun. A lot of chest thumping. A lot of claims of Muslims being afraid to debate him. Remember, this is the man who claimed Shabir Ally put his head down out of fear of debating him. Yep, put his head down!
He lives in a delusion. That's obvious. However, what he does not want you to know; he also lives in a chicken pen.
You've seen the claims Yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik, Shabir Ally etc. are all afraid of debating him. Little does he tell his followers the reality. Muslim apologists have blacklisted him for his immaturity and potty-mouth. You see Shamoun, isn't only filled with hot-air, lies, misdirection, ignorance and misrepresentation. He's full of insults.
His delusion leads him to claim Muslims are afraid of debating him...chickens.
However, Yusuf Ismail called his bluff and challenged him to two debates. In fact, Shamoun has been running away from Yusuf Ismail for about a decade now. Here's a report on Shamoun's latest chicken-run away from Yusuf Ismail:
Assalamualaykum Brother Yahya
Hope you are well…almost 10 years ago, I sent you correspondence between myself and Sam Shamoun backing out of a paid trip to SA
Well he has done it again….and refuses to touch certain subjects even though they focus solely on Islam.
For the record and you may share this with others on your forum and elsewhere with Christian extremists in exposing this religious fanatic!
After initially agreeing in principle to debate two important issues
> 1. The Prophet's marriage to Ayesha and the reliability of the reports in this regard
>
> 2. Is the Satanic Verses incident authentic or fabricated?
Sam Shamoun chickened out of a debate, changed the 2nd topic and still spreads rumours that people are afraid of debating him
When he was called out on this. He backed out of debate and blocked me on facebook…so I could not comment in reply..
His deception is beyond reproach
And then he goes on Facebook abusing and calling me a swine, a thug, a Muhammadan killer and a whole host of abusive epithets
Kind regards
Yusuf Ismail
FOR THE SINCERE CHRISTIANS: Christians claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit and evangelicals like Shamoun claim the 'father' of non-Christians is Satan. Hold on, think about it. Why is it, we have an evangelical who is insulting and behaving how Satan would want him to behave? Ask yourself, if this evangelical belief is true, then why do we regularly see non-Christians behaving in a better manner than Christians? Clearly, that evangelical belief is demonstrably false. Think about it.
Further food for thought, Muslims are said to have the least sex outside of marriage than all faith groups studied in this survey.
Some sobre thoughts on Sam Shamoun
If you're a long-term financial supporter of Sam Shamoun you will have seen a ton of unedifying and unspiritual behaviour from him, ask yourself, is it really edifying to continue supporting him in this misguided endeavour? Is he doing a service or a disservice to the church? Would it not be better to encourage him to get a real job and go out in the real world? Would that not be better for his mental and physical health? Ask yourself these questions, I've tried with Sam. I've tried to help him turn things around. My email is always open for him but where are the Christians to tap him on the shoulder and say, look things aren't going well here. It's not like he is new to the scene. The bloke has been at it for the last 2 decades, surely one would think he's said everything he has in his locker by now? Why is he wallowing on the net like this? It's pathetic, right?
There's a book by an author from the north of England - JB Priestly. It's a play actually, called An Inspector Calls. It's something many schools go through during high school here. The moral of that story is, everybody has a responsibility for everybody else.
Do you not think you are part of the problem here by encouraging him? Think about it
Unitarian Christians and Muslims having dreams which show Jesus (p) not to be God
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[QURAN MIRACLES] The Miracles of the Number 19 in Quran | Dr. Shabir Ally
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