A Thorough Refutation of the Thighing Lie

Taken with amendments from here: http://azblogtalk.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-thighing-of-aisha-brief-refutation_12.html

In a very popular accusation against the prophet that he practiced a form of an intercourse called thighing (Mufaakhathah) مفاخذة

A Christian missionary organisation is using the following to mislead people, source A:





The second is an Arabic fatwa that goes as follows Source B:


فتوى رقم (31409) تاريخ 7 \5 \1421ه
الحمد لله وحده والصلاة والسلام على من لا نبي بعده ... وبعد:
فقد اطلعت اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء على ما ورد الى سماحة المفتي العام من المستفتي ابو عبدالله محمد الشمري والمحال الى اللجنة من الامانة العامة لهيئة كبار العلماء برقم 1809 وتاريخ 3\5\1421ه وقد سأل المستفتي سؤالا هذا نصه:
انتشرت في الآونة الاخيرة , وبشكل كبير وخاصة في الأعراس عادة مفاخذة الأولاد الصغار , ماحكم ذلك مع العلم أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان قد فاخذ سيدتنا عائشة رضي الله عنها
وبعد دراسة اللجنة للاستفتاء أجابت بمايلي : ليس من هدي المسلمين على مر القرون أن يلجأن إلى استعمال هذه الوسائل الغير شرعية والتي وفدت إلى بلادنا من الافلام الخلاعية التي يرسلها الكفار وأعداء الإسلام ,أما من جهة مفاخذة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لخطيبته عائشة فقد كانت في سن السادسة من عمرها ولا يستطيع ان يجامعها لصغر سنها لذلك كان صلى الله عليه وسلم يضع إربه بين فخذيها ويدلكه دلكا خفيفا , كما أن رسول الله يملك إربه على عكس المؤمنين
بناء على ذلك فلا يجوز التعامل بالمفاخذة لا في الأعراس ولا في المنازل ولا في المدارس , لخطرها الفاحش ولعن الله الكفار , الذين أتوا بهذه العادات الى بلادنا,
اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء
عضو: بكر بن عبد الله ابو زيد
عضو: صالح بن فوزان الفوزان
الرئيس : عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن محمد آل الشيخ
Translate into:
“Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following: ‘It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs of children” which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her? ‘After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: ‘It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers’”


Now we have observed the only 2 available sources for such claims let’s start with the first one:

(Question Asalamualaykumwarahmatullahiwabarakatahu can you explain to me the thing called "thighing" also pronounced "mufa


Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. We ask Allaah to exalt his mention as well as that of his family and all his companions.


A-The term Mufaakhathah means to have foreplay with the wife in between her thighs. It is reported in one narration that when the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) wanted to enjoy one of his wives who was in menstruation, he would put a piece of cloth on her vagina (i.e. cover it). [Ibn Maajah].
B-The author of Faydh Al-Qadeer interpreted the expression 'if he wanted to enjoy to mean having all permissible foreplay but avoiding the vagina [or the anus], like in between her thighs (i.e. Mufaakhathah).
Allaah Knows best.)


Response:
Let us focus on the part (A)
The source sites a hadith  allegedly from Ibn Maajah. However if we search for the alleged hadith we won’t be able to find the alleged narration [3] therefore the first claim (A) is to be dismissed and rejected since such hadith doesn't exist


Let us look at part (B)

(The author of Faydh Al-Qadeer interpreted the expression 'if he wanted to enjoy to mean having all permissible foreplay but avoiding the vagina [or the anus], like in between her thighs (i.e. Mufaakhathah). )

The authors of the so called fatwa attempt to bring a translation of the word however their attempts are futile, according to lisan al arab the most well-known dictionary of the Arabic language[4] , we see that the word (Mufaakhathah) doesn't exist in the first place[5] , so how come the most respected well known dictionary of the Arabic language doesn't acknowledge the existence of such a word, the closest word to Mufaakhathah that is found in lisan al arab goes by the name of (Yufakhthou) يُفَخِّذُ translate into (separate tribes members one by one or fukhoth by fukhoth).

Conclusion:

The first sentence A of the first source site a hadith that doesn't exist in Sunan Ibn Majah, so how come people take this seriously?

The second part attempt to translate the word but as shown according to the most authentic dictionary on Arabic language the word doesn't exist at all, therefore the second sentence B is also refuted


Since we are done of the first source let us see the second one:

فتوى رقم (31409) تاريخ 7 \5 \1421
الحمد لله وحده والصلاة والسلام على من لا نبي بعده ... وبعد:
فقد اطلعت اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء على ما ورد الى سماحة المفتي العام من المستفتي ابو عبدالله محمد الشمري والمحال الى اللجنة من الامانة العامة لهيئة كبار العلماء برقم 1809 وتاريخ 3\5\1421ه وقد سأل المستفتي سؤالا هذا نصه:
انتشرت في الآونة الاخيرة , وبشكل كبير وخاصة في الأعراس عادة مفاخذة الأولاد الصغار , ماحكم ذلك مع العلم أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان قد فاخذ سيدتنا عائشة رضي الله عنها
وبعد دراسة اللجنة للاستفتاء أجابت بمايلي : ليس من هدي المسلمين على مر القرون أن يلجأن إلى استعمال هذه الوسائل الغير شرعية والتي وفدت إلى بلادنا من الافلام الخلاعية التي يرسلها الكفار وأعداء الإسلام ,أما من جهة مفاخذة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لخطيبته عائشة فقد كانت في سن السادسة من عمرها ولا يستطيع ان يجامعها لصغر سنها لذلك كان صلى الله عليه وسلم يضع إربه بين فخذيها ويدلكه دلكا خفيفا , كما أن رسول الله يملك إربه على عكس المؤمنين
بناء على ذلك فلا يجوز التعامل بالمفاخذة لا في الأعراس ولا في المنازل ولا في المدارس , لخطرها الفاحش ولعن الله الكفار , الذين أتوا بهذه العادات الى بلادنا,
اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء
عضو: بكر بن عبد الله ابو زيد
عضو: صالح بن فوزان الفوزان
الرئيس : عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن محمد آل الشيخ)
Translate into:
“Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:‘It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs of children” which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her?’After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: ‘It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers’”)


This has been floating around the internet and it comes from the following source as sited in the original Arabic text
(اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء) translate into:

The General Presidency of Scholarly Research and ifta

This website[6] is considered the original source for such a claim, now since the so-called fatwa number is 31409 let us attempted to search it on the original source and see if it does exist, we head to the advance search under the search bar >Search by Fatwa number>then type in 31409 and see the result, as expected (No Results Found)[7]

So the authenticity of the second source is also seems quite fabricated, as the fatwa doesn't exist in its original source at all.

But let us go deeper and investigate it with in the fatwa itself the fatwa makes the following statement:
(عائشة فقد كانت في سن السادسة من عمرها ولا يستطيع ان يجامعها لصغر سنها لذلك كان صلى الله عليه وسلم يضع إربه بين فخذيها ويدلكه دلكا خفيفا)
Translate into:
(She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly,)

Let us see if this is actually correct?

(the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).)[8]

As we can see from the hadith that he engaged her at the age of 6 then married her at  the age of 9 then she remained with him from the age of 9


The statement from the Fatwa seems to suggest that the prophet practiced this sexual intercourse with Aisha at the Age of 6, however as we can see above the authentic hadith cited by Bukhari state that the prophet didn't consummate the marriage up until the age of 9, the fatwa seems to be contradicting the authenticated narration by Bukhari, subsequently making it unhistorical in comparison to the will respected Islamic exegesis of Bukhari

Conclusion:

It’s now safe to say the so called fatwa has been refuted and debunked in it’s both sources that was provided, in conclusion the so-called thighing of Aisha holds no historical accuracy if it is investigated under the lens of  objective and sincere scrutiny.

The sincere people will not promulgate the thighing claim. Those who did in the past should openly retract their previous misinformation - if they are of sincere character and have a value for truth and honesty.

[1] http://www.answering
[2] http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=92051
[3] http://sunnah.com/search/?q=wanted+to+enjoy+one+of+his+wives+who+was+in+menstruation%2C+he+would+put+a+piece+of+cloth+on+her+vagina+
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Manzur#Lis.C4.81n_al-.CA.BFArab
[5] http://www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=%D9%85%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%B0%D8%A9
[6] http://www.alifta.net/
[7] http://www.alifta.net/Search/noresult.aspx?languagename=en&fatwasrch=true
[8] http://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69

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AQIL ONQUE'S REFUTATION OF ANSWERINGMUSLIMS.COM ON THE FABRICATED “THIGHING” STORY OF AISHA

O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]? 

One of the signs of the last day is that there would be imposters and liars and they would assume the garb of religious men. The people would believe the lies and disbelieve the truth. For certain, we see this widespread now and in particular, we will see it hear from the content of this article and what it’s addressing. It’s sad that such a refutation has to be drawn up, but what can one expect in this time and age and also from religious zealots who lack intellectual and academic integrity? Evidently, not much.

The issue under discussion in this article is dealing with an accusation or blatant lie that was made against the Prophet Muhammad (S) and his wife Aisha. It came from the source, Answeringmuslims.com and posted by David Wood, a young Christian apologist and one notorious for misrepresenting the beliefs of Islam along with his colleagues.

The article stems from a broadcast from their channel (Trinity Channel), and as presented there, they fabricated the story that the Prophet Muhammad (S), prior to consummating the marriage with Aisha used to perform an act termed “mufaakhathah”, which implies placing the male organ between the thighs (only, not penetrating her) of a woman and moving himself until climax is reached. The explicit reason given was because she (Aisha) was too young and too small to receive formal penetration. SO AS TO NOT HURT HER, this action was employed. Moreover, from the article itself as well as the broadcast, this apologist wants to give the impression to their ill-informed audience that this act was a more preferable act over a normal act of intimacy, grossly insinuating that the Prophet (S) seemed to target young virgins who were too young for formal intercourse. This is the back drop of this issue. So now let us proceed to refute it.

POINT #1: I checked all of the hadith in Arabic that was cited in their article about the wives of the Prophet (S) and this act and I didn’t find in any single one of them, this term “mufaakhathah”.  Moreover on this point, Aisha was in fact the only virgin wife of the Prophet Muhammad (S), as she proudly expresses.  So, to somehow imply that this was some common practice of the Messenger of ALLAH (S) is just nonsense.  

POINT #2: The first airing of this matter on their broadcast I believe was in 2010. The article in which they attempted to support their baseless lie was not put on their website until March 2014.  That’s 4 years later! Why would it take 4 years to finally provide proof for a claim that was said to be a (common) Islamic practice?  MOREOVER, the original source of theirs, which they stated, was an Arabic online fatwa.

So the primary source is not from Islamic sources but a claimed fatwa found online that was in Arabic!  ARE YOU SERIOUS??? MOREOVER AGAIN, the fatwa as translated and displayed in the article has absolutely no reference source or anything to trace the Fatwa back to who issued it.  It has no website at the bottom of the page.  It has no name of the Mufti or Islamic council or committee issuing the fatwa.  IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT A POSED QUESTION AND AN ANSWER.  

Then, in the response to the question, the alleged Mufti after given a definition of this term Mufakhathah cites just one Hadith. And guess what? You guess it, THE HADITH HAS NO NARRATOR!?!  It says that it was reported in one narration… You have to be kidding me, right??? But it gets worse, the Hadith book that is cited is Ibn Maajah.  Now, one might ask, what is the matter with Ibn Maajah?  Nothing, although there are Hadith in that collection that would need to be verified before one can claim anything about it.  But a Mufti, a scholar will ALWAYS give the strongest proof for his argument if its available. So no Scholar would quote Ibn Maajah over Sahih Muslim or Sahih Bukhari. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON’T EVEN BRING A NARRATOR, SO YOU HAVE NO CHAIN TO VERIFY IT!!! And know for sure that the Hadith quoted in the article has a basis in Sahih Bukhari in multiple places. SO THE ALLEGED FATWA, FROM BEGINNING TO END, HAS UTTERLY AND MISERABLY FAILED, WITH A NO NAME MUFTI, A NO NAME SOURCE, AND A NO NAME NARRATED HADITH.  How ironic, the person who composed the article gave more proof than their source. Let us move on now to the composer of the article and his claims.

POINT #3: The composer of the article, and I don’t know if it is in fact David Wood or if he just posted it and the author of it is unknown, but the composer of the article makes the point about the picture of the alleged fatwa, sayiing, “But this won’t convince Westernized apologist, who despite their profound ignorance of their own sources, nevertheless believe that they know more about Islam than their scholars and jurist…” So, we are supposed to be convinced by an anonymous online fatwa with absolutely no trace to any Islamic source, about an unfounded and unsupported practice, posted by an antagonistic Christian apologist website? Do I need to respond to that? I would ask, can I respond to that without hurting the feelings of those behind this.  Let the rhetorical question speak for itself because we have a lot more to say about the rest of this poorly composed article used as proof for a lie.

POINT #4: The funny author of this article then says the most absurd thing. He says, “For those of us who are more balanced in our approach and less obsessed with defending Muhammad at all cost, THE MUSLIM SOURCES PROVIDE ABUNDANT MATERIAL ON THE ISSUE OF THIGHING. In order to avoid any accusations of deception, however, I will  (1) limit myself to narrations that are available online for everyone to read, and (2) proceed step by step showing how Muslim scholars arrive at their conclusions”. Wow! Where do I start? “The Muslim sources provide abundant material on the issue of thighing”. Yet, this guy has not produced a single piece!!! NOTHING OF PROOF AND EVIDENCE IN THE WHOLE ARTICLE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIGHING, EXCEPT THE ANONYMOUS FATWA AND WE ALREADY DEALT WITH THAT. Well, he may argue, I listed four Hadith and they all are authentic in Sahih Bukhari. PROOF!?? Oh really.  Let’s examine his cited Hadith.  We will pair them in two as he has done in his article.

Hadith #1: (His 2^nd )     Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

This Hadith is found in Sahih Bukhari in the Book of Menses, under the topic, “Fondling a menstruating wife”.  This is the same exact Hadith that the author of the article cited and this is what he used for his proof of “Thighing”.  Yes, this is what he used out of the abundant material out there on “Thighing.” Yet, ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE IN THIS HADITH DOES IT MENTION “THIGHING” NOT IN THE ENGLISH NOR IN THE ARABIC!!! It would be enough to stop here as it is clear that the whole article is rubbish, but let us indulge for a minute. The Arabic word used is “FA YUBAA SHI RUNI” meaning, so he would fondle me (or caress me).  Literally to touch, skin to skin.  Like hugging or caressing. The word comes from the root word BASHARA which has a wide semantic field, from meaning human being to good news. This word is a 3 form verb meaning to put one’s self or skin to another’s self or skin. So in context of the Hadith, it implies to hug and caress and rub.  That’s what fondling is.  Add to that the fact that there is a severe prohibition in Islam against approaching a woman intimately while on her menses.  And this is the reason why the Prophet (S) ordered his wives to cover themselves; so as to make clear that there is no activity in that area.  Lastly and most importantly on this point, is the question, WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PLACING ONES MALE ORGAN BETWEEN THE THIGHS OF A VIRGIN, SO AS TO NOT TO HARM HER BECAUSE SHE IS TOO YOUNG AND SMALL BUT STILL TAKE ONES PLEASURE?  PLEASE ANYONE TELL ME?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  IT’S ANOTHER LIE FROM THOSE WHO LOVE TO DO SO.  THIS CASE IS RESTED.

Hadith #2 (His 1^st)   Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron.” He said, "Why? Don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

This Hadith is in Sahih Bukhari in the book of marriage, under the title “The marrying of matrons (divorced or widowed ladies).” Now, before I comment on the Hadith in relation to this topic.  Let us see what the author had to say about this and its connection to the subject at hand. This weird and trouble minded individual stated, “Notice that Muhammad found the practice of fondling VIRGINS preferable to sex with adult woman”.  First and foremost, and yet again, what does this Hadith have to do with the action of “Mufaakhathah” as was the sole premise of their reason to produce this article? Nothing! Nothing! Nothing!

But, to move on.  So, here again, there is no mention of the word “Mufaakhathah” in English or in Arabic. More interesting here, the word used in this Hadith is not the same word used in the other Hadith of Aisha. The word used in this Hadith in the Arabic is “LI ‘AAB” and in the second usage highlighted above is “TU LAA ‘IBU.” All of these words used in this Hadith stems from the root verb “LA’IBA” which means to play. Yes to play, and the connotation of play in this word from its origin is to play the way people play games or sports, pastime, amusement.  Let me note here, that I believe the first word highlighted is not a good translation. Although there is nothing wrong with fondling ones wife, I just don’t think it serves well the backdrop of this Hadith. However, I left it for the integrity of the argument and also to respect the translation.  The Companion in question was also a young man himself, so the Messenger of ALLAH (S) inquired why he married an older woman who was married prior. Why not someone around his age for them to enjoy each other better and have fun with each other. It was a very thoughtful question and one free from the perversity of this author and his likes. I really wish I had time to go into his further response, as this was a shortened version of a longer narration. It was such a beautiful answer he gave back to the Messenger of ALLAH (S), hopefully another time. But that was the essence of this Hadith.  And this is what this tired author produced as evidence for “Thighing.” Can you believe the nonsense perpetrated here? It’s sad to even have to waste time refuting this, but there are people who believe these guys and take everything they say as truth. How sad. How sad.

In closing the author mentioned two further Hadith stating the fact that Aisha expressed how she used to wash off the traces or spots of semen that were found on the garment of the Prophet (S). One of these Hadith was in fact a question posed to her about it and the other, was general information. I will forfeit pulling up the Hadith and citing it here, for this case has been closed a long time ago. But, to make sure we don’t leave any room for error. The two Hadith cited about Aisha washing semen from the clothes of the Prophet (S) had absolutely no relation at all to the Hadith about fondling cited above, AND NONE OF THE HADITH CITED HAD ANYHTING TO DO WITH THEIR HOAX STORY OF “THIGHING.”

Final remarks. The life of Prophet Muhammad (S) is very open, even to matters relating to his private life.  So much so that we could even have a discourse on a subject like this.  Given that fact, if all you have to bring forward of ridicule and scorn is the fact of him fondling HIS WIVES, or being intimate with HIS WIVES, which is an act that every man does, then you have in your own opposition proven the sublimity and nobility of this great man and his character. It is only through lies that you can blemish him and what he has brought and done for humanity, but none of your lies will cause even a stumble in the path of those who know who the Prophet Muhammad (S) is. We pray ALLAH open your eyes and heart to the noble status and stature of The Messenger of ALLAH (S), may the choicest prayers and peace be upon him forever and upon all those who follow him in goodness until the end of time. Ameen, and praise to ALLAH, the Lord and Sustainer of all things.

Links related to thighing:

The Thighing of Aisha a brief refutation (update 2016/3/10: Grammar errors fixes, and Format fix)

David Wood: Yahya Snow Censors and Conceals 'Evidence'?

Pornographic Lies on ABN by David Wood

Pornographic Lies on ABN by David Wood

ABN employ David Wood and the “Sex Secret” to Demonize Muslims

People have been suggesting/thinking David Wood is a hate-monger and the ABN (Aramaic Broadcasting Network) is infiltrated by nefarious individuals.

Recently we showcased the two infamous and frenzied verbal onslaughts by an ABN employee, Sam Shamoun.

Today we present the debauched David Wood purveying Googled hate-material to his “Christian” audience on the ABN show called “Jesus or Muhammad”. Guess what? The hate-material he presents to his baying audience in order to demonize Muslims is none other than the well-known “thighing” HOAX.

There is video evidence of David Wood misguiding his “Christian” audience by using a well-known anti-Muslim LIE. Our friend, David, even presents it as a FACT and PROOF for his debauched claims!

Make No Mistake

Make no mistake; David Wood was presenting this material to demonize Islam and Muslims. Quite how he can claim he was doing it for any other purpose is beyond me as a simple Google search would have led him to material DENOUCING his “fatwas” as hoax, fabrication and stuff of ill-repute and outright dishonesty.

Our pal, David Wood, has no regard for honesty, scholarship or responsibility and presents the material as fact and subsequently misleads thousands of Christians and non-Christians alike. Sad, but true.

Here is the awful truth of David Wood on an ABN show demonizing Muslims. Please note; David Wood presents a very disturbing sexual hoax – those who are offended easily please do not play the video. It is very insulting to Islam too.



(PS: I know of the spelling mistakes, it should be “addressed” and "Christian")
See here if the video does not play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGp0ke4j3mk

If you are struggling to read the text in time, please pause the video and read the text before moving on. Did David Wood really expect us to believe he was keeping this a secret because he "does not like talking about it"?

Please note, we have already denounced this “sexual hoax”, previously, here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Thighing%3F

David Wood’s “Sex Secret” Shame

Aside form David Wood’s sick sexual hoax we also note another key feature of the video; that is David Wood’s hesitation and floundering upon being pressed for evidence and source material for his hoax. He knew he had NOTHING to give as tangible and credible evidence so he responds with a lame misdirection which goes as “I don’t like talking about the thighing issue because it is gross”. How enigmatic is David Wood ?

What type of search words did David Wood employ to find such a “gross” hoax on the net?

“Gross” or not – it CAME from YOU, David Wood

Well David, yes it is gross but YOU brought it up and described it in DETAIL in front of your Christian audience; many of whom would have been elderly and young alike. Do you expect us to believe you don’t want to talk about it? Are you for real?

Furthermore, David Wood and his chums regularly churn out crazed sex-related fabrication and level it at Islam. Therefore, one would expect Wood to have NO hesitation in talking about the “thighing issue”. It is gross – it was MADE up by your “co-religionists” (more apt; co-haters), perhaps that’s why you are so reluctant in talking about it.

David Wood’s “best material” is NOT presented on ABN, why?

For David to expect us to believe he sits on ALL this copious “evidence” (fabrications) without showcasing it because it is “gross” is implausible to say the least. In fact it was a ridiculous and obvious cop-out. David KNEW he was busted on Christian TV by his COLLEAGUE (Pastor Joseph Najm) hence his squirming.

David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics; clearly intent on hatred and vilification

David, we are ALL dying to see your fabricated “fatwas”. I have already blogged about these fabrications here and Iqraproductions have a revealing video on the said matter. There is NO excuse for you not to know it is a hoax especially considering your counterpart, Osama Abdallah, has publicly denounced the whole affair (that’s to say your caboodle of “fatwas”) as fraudulent.

So if David Wood pleads ignorance we shall find it vey difficult to swallow as this material would have been the mainstay of the argumentation espoused by Wood and his colleagues along time ago (if it was genuinely believed to be accurate).

Yahya Snow Addressed on ABN Sat by David Wood

Many of you will be unaware of this fact; the snip I have presented was extracted from David Wood’s address to me (Yahya Snow) in a debate on whether Islam allows sex with prepubescent girls. You can view ALL the debate material (including what he presented) here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/07/debate-does-islam-allow-sex-with.html

However, the more observant will realise this snip of “thighing” was not presented in the debate. Why? Because David Wood did NOT feature it on his YouTube channel – he OMITTED this clip (of him presenting hoax as fact). He KNEW I (and other YouTube users) would have had an absolute field day over this subject as he KNEW it was a hoax.

If he genuinely felt it was credible evidence he would have presented it on his channel in an attempt to “win” the debate. He didn’t; that speaks volumes in telling us David Wood KNEW what he was doing!

David Wood DECEIVES Christian audiences

Wood was presenting a hit-piece to a less challenging audience (the Christians on ABN) whilst omitting it from the YouTube video as there are a number of people (Muslims, Atheists and Christians) who would have demanded EVIDENCE. The YT audience is one of the most demanding audiences on the internet - if not the most demanding audience. Simply put; Wood KNEW he would have been found out on YT!

In fact; in my concluding comments (see the debate material) you will realise I warned David Wood from replying to me with the internet hoax. I was totally unaware of this footage of David actually USING the hoax. In fact a YouTube friend of mine emailed me the footage and timeline of the FULL SHOW (from ABNsat’s website).

If he did not inform me of this matter I and the rest of us would have been clueless to David Wood’s deceptive and hate-filled episode!
Kudos to this YouTube user who has helped us to expose the misleading manner of David Wood further. I wonder what ABN’s Bassim Gorial will think of this unpleasant episode.

It is Hate

Let’s not kid ourselves here. It is all about hatred of Muslims and attempting to smear malign and traduce the reputation of Muslims. Quite simply put – they are trying to demonise Islam and Muslims. You may recall I have featured a video of one of David Wood’s colleagues (Usama Dakdok) calling ALL Muslims “demons” and a FRIEND of David Wood’s (Sam Shamoun) calling us a “cancer”.

This, my friends, is all about hatred!

Did David Wood spend time in a mental institute (and prison) for trying to kill a man?

Yes. I bring this up as people (essentially David Wood and his pals) are continually misunderstanding this issue – the “Christian” fanatics on the internet, including Wood, think this issue was brought up by Paul Williams for no other reason than to traduce David Wood. That is not the case.

Many of you may not know this; I was aware of David Wood’s violent and criminal past prior to it being a genuine issue on the internet. However, the reason why people are bringing it up now is because David Wood has become a certified hate-monger, thus people are trying to ascertain why an individual who claims to be “Christian” is resorting to hatred.

The Reason behind David Wood’s Hatred and Dehumanization of Muslims (Islamophobia)

The answer people are giving is that it is linked to David Wood’s violent past; that is to say David Wood has never been able to shake off his demons and has just transferred the manifestations of his deep-routed hatred from physical violence to cyber hatred of Muslims and a prolonged campaign of smear and demonizing.

His association with the shamed missionary, Sam Shamoun, was brought up on this blog many moons ago, in fact, I suggested Wood’s behaviour began to become more troublesome after his association with Sam Shamoun became stronger.

Please do not be fooled; the reason why Paul brought up this episode in Wood’s life is simply because of his aberrant behaviour on the internet etc. David Wood is NO victim; the Muslims on the end of his hate-filled sieges are indeed victims.

It is abnormal for a grown man to be spending so much time and energy on hatred, yet alone a grown man who acts under the guise of the “Church””. It just goes to show people do abuse religion for their own ends, therefore we should judge a faith based on its teachings rather than its alleged adherents.

Responsibility and Rationality

David Wood should quit his lame attempt to present himself as a victim; nobody will buy it except a few fundamentalist “Christian” haters on the internet. In fact, he would do well to realise his demonizing of Muslims could well increase the level of Islamophobia (hatred for Islam and Muslims) on the internet and in real life.

Certainly, presenting sick hoaxes such as the “thighing” canard only serves to demonize and dehumanize Muslims. Is that what you want to do, David Wood?

David, your mission at Acts 17 Apologetics has come in for controversy based on deceptive and hate-mongering actions by yourself and your affiliates. Are you bent on doing the same to the ABN?

The lunatic asylum is NO place to garner support

David, you have already been denounced on the ominously titled “loon watch” website. Please realise your actions do nothing but repel the rational and responsible folk. If you want to attract and appeal to a bunch of loons on the net then continue to do what you are currently doing.

Your support base includes a bloke who names his dog “Muhammad” in order to insult Muslims in an immature and disgusting fashion. This is the same bloke who undertakes a 100 mile round trip in order to collect court documents on an internet Muslim who you happen to have a beef with.

Your friend and colleague (Shamoun) has a prolonged campaign of hatred which spans years. You are so much in league with your friend that you bought this hate-monger a 2000 dollar computer (paid through DONATIONS from CHRISTIANS). A computer which he puts in to use for his hate-filled activities, here he is putting that computer to full use:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/11/sam-shamoun-obsessed-with-shabir-ally.html

Here he is again putting the computer, paid for by DONATIONS, to full use:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/07/sam-shamouns-foul-mouth-continues-with.html

Perhaps you would like to reimburse the CHRISTIANS who donated cash for your pal’s computer whilst under the impression it would be used to further the church rather than debase the church. Did you forewarn them that the computer would be used for hate purposes? I did not think so.

I shall not go through a catalogue of misdemeanours, we all get the point.

David Wood featured on Loon Watch:
Part 1: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/06/exposing-david-wood-of-mosques-and-men-pt-1/
Part 2: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/07/exposing-david-wood-of-mosques-and-men-pt-2/

Scholarship: David, Racist Thugs and Criminals Use the “Thighing” Hoax

David, you maybe unaware, I am sitting on footage of an EDL thug (who has a criminal conviction for his hatred) using the SAME hoax as you in order to gee-up his “troops” in their attempt to wreak havoc in a northern city in my country (the UK).

God-willing I will disclose such footage in a future blog post. For those who are unaware, the EDL are an Islamophobic outfit infiltrated by many NAZIS. ABN may as well employ one of the EDL thugs in the stead of Shamoun/Wood etc as the level of scholarship will certainly not diminish.

Muslims and Christians SHOULD work together

The much respected imam (Shabir Ally) has an emphasis on greater understanding and cooperation between Muslims and Christians. I think this imam is an excellent representative of the Muslims and there are representatives who real Christians will be proud of (with regards to their community). The Christians mentioned in this post are certainly nothing to be proud of.

Saddening, Apology and Repentance

On a personal note, I live in the UK and grew up near a vicarage; I went to a Christian school and thus have a working-respect for genuine Christians. In the UK, the Christians are generally sincere and the yahoo-merchants who operate under the guise of “Christianity” on the net are a far cry from sincere Christians.

The mode of behaviour Wood and other fanatics on the net exhibit is unedifying and saddening.

I ask David Wood and the fellows at ABN Sat (including Bassm Gorial) to have a rethink. I call David to public repentance and to an apology

Learn Islam from the Muslims NOT from haters on the internet

Jibreel has a good site here (with an “ask the scholar” function):
http://www.islamdunktv.com/

Here is a good resource for those who want to research Islamic beliefs:
http://www.ediscoverislam.com/

May Allah guide us all. Ameen

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The Truth About the Thighing (Mufakhathat) Canard

The Mufakhathat (Thighing) Claim is a Deception
It is wise to make people aware of a fabrication (falsification) traversing the internet which states Islam allows Muslim men to gratify themselves sexually with pre-pubescent girls (even as young as 3 years of age) via a method known as mufakhafat (thighing).

This claim of theirs is errant nonsense. The early classical scholar, Hasan al-Basri (642 - 728 or 737 AD), has already made it known Islam does NOT allow Muslim men to approach prepubescent girls in a sexual fashion. [1]

As for the fabrication (falsified fatwa) on the internet; Ebrahim Saifuddin confirms the thighing claims are erroneous (“a fabricated lie”) and points out Christian missionaries made this malicious, untrue and vile allegation up. [2] Moreover Muhaddith.org inform us the falsified fatwa has ALREADY been commented upon by Saudi scholars and they have denounced it as a lie as well as informing us Islam does not allow such a sick practice. The Saudi scholars also confirm the Prophet Muhammad NEVER took part in such a practice, thus further denouncing and disproving the Christian missionary lies. [1]

I have appended a typical sample of the false claim to this article (see appendix 1).

Looking Stupid

I have recently come across two people parroting the false claims and using these fabrications in order to satisfy their anti-Muslim agenda – one of these individuals is a Christian tele-evangelist of ill-repute whilst the other is a member (Kevin Carroll) of a far right group named “English Defence League” (EDL). These people do not realise how unscholarly and silly they look when repeating such nonsense even though it does not take much in the way of research to realise the material they use is a fabrication (false).

Another Fabrication?

Alongside the “fatwa” fabrication there seems to be another fabrication of this nature attributed to Khomeini which is being circulated on the internet. I would like to state Khomeini is NOT seen as an authority and is seen as a deviant by recognised scholarly authorities. Nevertheless the quotes attributed to Khomeini are thought to be fabrications too.

The “book” where the alleged Komeini’s quotes were taken from ("Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990) does not seem to even exist! [3]. Alongside the alleged quotes of approving child-sex there are alleged quotes approving sex with animals [4]. Both are outrageously false allegations; Islam does not allow these depraved actions

Summary

Essentially, somebody/group of bodies made a malicious lie up about Islam and other Islamophobes have been propagating (spreading) it without checking for accuracy and truth.

The fact remains, Islam does not allow thighing (mufakhafat) of prepubescent girls. There are forgeries on the internet which are being used in a smear campaign against Muslims - be alert to these false and nasty claims.

Any feedback: send it to Yahya Snow at yahyasnow@hotmail.com

References
[1] http://www.muhaddith.org/islam_answers/earlymarriage-part2.doc

[2] http://ebrahimsaifuddin.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/mufakhathat-or-thighing/

[3] http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22934-kohmeinis-alleged-pedophile-qoute/

[4] http://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/is-sex-with-animals-allowed-in-islam/

Appendix 1
Here is a typical sample of the falsehood we have discussed in this article (increase screen size to read it, it was shrunk for compaction purposes):


Regarding the practice of "thighing", the masterbating between the legs of a female infant or actually sodomizing her, Islamic clerics have this to say:

Pedophilia decrees from www.islamic-fatwa.net

Question 1809

After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question forwarded by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/5/1453 and 7/5/1421 (Islamic calendar)

Question: ‘It has become widespread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children. (mufa’khathat - literally translated, it means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child).

What is the opinion of scholars, knowing full well that the prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her ?

Answer: After studying the issue, the committee has answered as follows:

As for the prophet, his thighing his fiancée Aisha when she was six years of age and not able to consummate the relationship was due to her small age. That is why the Prophet used to place his male member between her thighs and massage it, as the prophet had control of his male member not like other men.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:

"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

“It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini's "Tahrir Al wasila" p. 241, issue number 12

"Young boys or girls in full sexual effervescence are kept from getting married before they reach the legal age of majority. This is against the intention of divine laws. Why should the marriage of pubescent girls and boys be forbidden because they are still minors, when they are allowed to listen to the radio and to sexually arousing music?"

"The Little Green Book" "Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini", Bantam Books


Appendix 2
Ebrahim Saifuddin of IqraProductions exposes the thighing (mufa’khathat) lie:



More info can be obtained here:

http://ebrahimsaifuddin.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/mufakhathat-or-thighing/

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