Tuesday, October 10, 2017

California - The Death Spiral State.

This is a perfect example of a policy designed to implement The Curley Effect: require that people pretend that the psychosis of people who claim to have a belief contrary to objective reality is true. Normal people will understand that their grasp on reality is being disrespected and will look at this law, and a law that redefines knowingly concealing AIDS status from sex partners from a felony to a misdemeanor, and come to the realization that they are not wanted in California.

And they will vote with their feet.

Thereby leaving California to the very rich urban elites and their impoverished serfs.


Posted by Peter Sean at 10:23 AM
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Anonymous said...

I hope you get a good price for your house. Before you leave California for another state because of this change you'd better check the status of laws related to HIV across the country. Many states also treat such actions as misdemeanors or have no laws whatsoever specific to HIV transmission, and there appears to be little geographic pattern as to how states handle this. Further, very few states have specific laws about about other potentially fatal diseases transmittable via blood, so those boogie men could get you as well.

"Normal people" who "vote with their feet": Its a shame so many white, conservative middle class people are leaving California. Still, tribes will be tribes, and there's plenty of enclaves across the United States for just about anyone's preferred type of neighbor.

By the way, you don't need to worry if you move to some place with no rich urban elites, they'll still pay the federal taxes necessary to subsidize the relatively impoverished rural underclass (that's the opposite of "very rich urban elites") that is spread across the midwest, Appalachia and the southeast. Every tribe has its place as long as there is someone to pay for it. Also, "impoverished serfs" exist everywhere, so you'll still have access to them when you're feeling exploitive. If you move to a state that's rapidly defunding K-12 and higher education, there'll be a never-ending supply of "impoverished serfs" for you.

11:35 AM
Toby said...

"California - The Death Spiral State."

Death spiral? I realize that the view from Fresno may seem like some level of Dante's Inferno, what with the winter fog, summer smog, and little chance for strong economic performance. From the major urban centers (LA, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, Sacramento, etc.) the prospect is excellent. Maybe you should move to a nicer part of the state? It might allow you to see reality more clearly. We aren't elites. We are for the most part successful Americans living in a successful part of the country.

Pride is good up to a point, but envy is never of much use.

6:49 PM
Unknown said...

A State Government that legalizes the willful exposing of a partner to a fatal disease without warning isn't protecting the public, nor then, could it satisfy the legal view of consensual sex as opposed to Rape, since full disclosure ain't happening.
A social structure that empowers rapists is nothing to be envious of, is it?
And if trading morality for economic performance is given as an an option (like in LA, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, Sacramento, etc.) then surviving on bologna sandwiches in fog bound Fresno, all the while fending off local metal thieves and meth heads really does sound more attractive. At least you'd know whom is intent on harming whom.
You wouldn't have that luxury in LA, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, Sacramento, etc.

7:51 PM
Toby said...

What a load of illogic, John.

First, nothing was legalized.

Second, no one in LA, Orange County, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, or Sacramento traded morality for economic performance. Regardless of what moral and social failings you perceive in CA state law, these large urban centers are powerhouses of economic performance and will be whether the particular activity in question is a felony, a misdemeanor, or completely legal, just like Fresno will be a comparative economic failure regardless of the state of such laws. So even though you and your baloney sandwiches are in the same state with these other places, you get to live with whatever failings or successes you perceive in state law and with your meth heads and metal thieves.

Third, Peter (and you) describe people living in these cities as rich urban elites when the single word "successful" would be more truthful. Your conservatism or libertarianism or dominionism or whatever you're calling it today seems to despise the success of others and consider success an attribute of elitism. You just keep worrying about the rich coastal urban elites. I assure you, we don't spend much time thinking about your self-perceived trod upon victimhood.



9:10 PM
Unknown said...

Toby,
The logic is based on your fictional scenario, so alas, I cannot take credit for it. Except for the part about if Jerry Brown's sign it into law circumventing Rape and not protecting people from HIV.
The costs of health care from each new HIV victim, necessarily being covered by the Obama enabled State health insurance fiasco will be just another expense CA will soon be unable to afford, along with government pensions and welfare fraud---just like Detroit.
Have you seen Detroit?
A virtually Democratic Party run resort.

5:45 AM
Toby said...

Well, John. I guess you belong in Kansas or Alabama or West Virginia. I'm sure you could get a lot of house for your money in one of those conservative Republican examples of good government. But make sure you move somewhere that doesn't make an attempt to make sure citizens have access to adequate healthcare. That way when you get sick and can no longer buy insurance you can feel like a good conservative as you slowly waste away. Also make sure its not one of the 15 or so states that either have no laws specific to HIV exposure or treat it as a misdemeanor, otherwise civilization will end there as well.

And don't fret, we won't be thinking much about your self-perceived victimhood if you live any of those places either.

3:02 PM
Unknown said...

Toby, you wrote:
"But make sure you move somewhere that doesn't make an attempt to make sure citizens have access to adequate healthcare. That way when you get sick and can no longer buy insurance you can feel like a good conservative as you slowly waste away. Also make sure its not one of the 15 or so states that either have no laws specific to HIV exposure or treat it as a misdemeanor..."

How do you expect a law that permits and protects predators with HIV to willfully inflict a fatal disease on the unsuspecting partners? How do you tie this in with Health Care other than more disease=more misery & economic peril?


Don't worry about me, Toby, but if you're living large in Napa, Sonoma or anywhere else in the wine country, or Anaheim, I'll pray that you and your home are kept safe from the fires.

7:02 AM
Anonymous said...

John,

I'm continuing to live in CA because I think its a state of great accomplishments and a state with a great future. You and Peter think CA is in a death spiral full of despicable rich coastal urban elites and, in Peter's words, "impoverished serfs." Given your views' regarding CA, I find it remarkable that you and Peter don't go and live in one of the many conservative paradises that exist elsewhere in this county. In my previous post, I suggested a few.

I get it. You think CA passed a stupid law re HIV. Maybe so. Maybe not. Neither of you addressed the reasons used by lawmakers decided to support this new law. Maybe those reasons stand up to scrutiny, maybe they don't. We'll never know from reading anything you and Peter have written. Instead, you both spout the claim that passage of this law supports the "Bradley-Kasaian CA Death Spiral Hypothesis" which you lament is the fault of "rich coastal urban elites."

All of the "impoverished serfs" (Peter's words, not mine) I interact with daily are hard-working immigrants whose primary goal in life is to leave their children with a better life then theirs, a goal by the way which they seem to be meeting. Most of them happen to be Latino, probably because their are few "natives" who have a desire to work in the roles many of these people eagerly accept. I'm still waiting for the massive influx of under-educated under-employed Americans from the Midwest, Appalachia, and the Southeast to cook our food, work in agriculture, build our homes, and clean our streets so their kids can have a better life and maybe even go to college. It must be pretty nice where these hard-working Americans now live, so I suggest you check it out when you finally gird your loins and run screaming from the CA death spiral.

8:36 AM
Unknown said...

The "impoverished serfs" aren't the sons and daughters of migrant farm workers studying for careers, God bless 'em,at the JCs but they may join the ranks once they find jobs. It is how the State of California repays their young for their enthusiasm.

11:50 AM
Anonymous said...

"It is how the State of California repays their young for their enthusiasm."

You really need to get out of the Central Valley, John. The coastal areas of California are full of young enthusiastic adults (you and Peter elsewhere call them "elites") from all over the world, including California (and Eastern Asia, Middle Asia, the Middle East, Europe and Latin America).

Other then the infinitely better weather, I wonder why you don't see enthusiastic white young adults in Fresno? Its certainly an enigma.

4:32 PM
Unknown said...

Once again you've gotten your terminology wrong.
The "elites" aren't waiting on tables at minimum wage with piddling health care, commuting from Castroville or San Miguel because the rent is astronomical where the elites park their Benz' and Teslas.
Unless of course the Tesla is mom or dad's ride.
But then they wouldn't be waiting on tables.

5:17 PM
Unknown said...

As a matter of fact, the last coastal elites I saw were looking kind of down in the dumps, standing along Ocean Ave. in Carmel amidst several vacant stores with "out of business" signs in the windows.

5:28 PM
Anonymous said...

You got it all wrong, John. Wait staff in Carmel restaurants make way more than minimum wage. The last time I ate in Carmel Valley, our young hispanic waiter told us how his dad told him he could go work in the fields or go to school. He chose school and was halfway through a degree at CSUMB paying his own way off the tips of the us elites.

Its funny how you insinuate there is some economic problem plaguing Carmel-by-the-Sea. There isn't, other than the high cost of housing because so many people want to live / vacation there. But then I guess we could always shoot for whatever mythical place you yearn for where the wealthy and middle class and "serfs" all live in the same condo complexes and shop together at Walmart. Come to think of it, that does sound vaguely like one of those places you'd be comfortable in like rural Kansas or Alabama, far away from the rich coastal urban elites who seem plague your waking dreams.

By the way, I'm definitely a rich coastal urban elite. Yet my daughter spent her high school years working 16 hours a week at a hole-in-the-wall Mexican restaurant. The immigrant family who owns the restaurant now considers her part of their family. She saved ten grand working there part-time over three years. She drives our ten-year old Lexus at college, and I prefer BMW over Tesla. So all of your stereo-types, even the irrelevant ones, really make no sense whatsoever.

7:35 PM
Unknown said...

Anonymous,
I only speak in stereotypes because that is what you understand.
My Carmel story is true and didn't touch on restaurants or wait staff, only commercial storefront property.
You know, the stuff that makes communities actually prosper and thrive.
Or not.

Take a look at Jack London Square in Oakland and Seaport Village in Marina del Rey(I was there a few months ago) you'll see lots of unrented but previously occupied retail space---prime locations, well heeled clientele roosting in the surrounding condos, but few places to shop at Seaport, other than a national chain Mexican Cantina-oid with regretfully unauthentic food.

The California death spiral is following the same flight plan filed by that Renaissance metropolis, Detroit.
You've heard of Motor City, the great American Land of Oz, right?
You've seen what it is now, after generations of Democratic Party control? And you know Trump won that State because the average citizen felt the Republicans couldn't do any worse than the Democrats.
Or do you contemplate such matters as you motor to Bevmo in your BMW to pick up that case of Chardonnay?

I don't know if the Republicans can turn around Detroit.
I don't know if the Republican lawmakers can draft common sense legislation (unlike the Democrats who have to pass Bills before they can understand whats contained within, according to Pelosi)

But the danger is real and present and worthy of discussion, whereas you can only pronounce exile for anyone bringing such issues to the public square.

9:14 PM
Anonymous said...

Your anecdotal survey of coastal tourist traps was hardly instructive. You can worry about "us" all you want. We spend little time thinking about "you," worrying or otherwise. Living in the great Central Valley, there must be some comfort in the self-delusion that the coast is toast and, like the Valley, the rest of the state is slowly going down some great death spiral.

You say " the danger is real and present and worthy of discussion." I agree. I'd hate to see the coast follow the example set by the Valley. Imagine if all of California mirrored Fresno's economy. Imagine if all of California looked like the Fulton Mall and Blackstone. Imagine if all of California had the average household income of Fresno. If so, there wouldn't be enough federal income tax paid by "rich coastal urban elites" to subsidize the Valley and the Republican red states and their lack of ability to pay for themselves. None of us on the coast are doing anything to keep the Valley down or to put Valleyites at a disadvantage. If Valleyites don't like their crummy situation, they should fix it. If incapable of fixing it, Valleyites should move to Kansas or Alabama or West Virginia and thrive in one of those imagined Steve Bannon inspired Republican paradises. Its up to you, not us.

By the way, I don't like Chardonnay and "rich urban coastal elites" like me don't shop much at Bevmo. We drive our BMWs (and don't forget the Teslas) to Whole Foods and actual wineries. At least get your stereotypes correct because nothing else you're saying is.

9:22 AM

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